From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 19:35:17 2017 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:35:17 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables Message-ID: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423@gmail.com> A new report on an old problem. << We must do more to protect the indispensable yet insecure internet infrastructure provided by undersea cables, urges Rishi Sunak MP in a new report published by Policy Exchange, Undersea Cables: Indispensable, insecure. 97% of global communications and $10 trillion in daily financial transactions are transmitted not by satellites in the skies, but by cables lying deep beneath the ocean. Undersea cables are the indispensable infrastructure of our time, essential to our modern life and digital economy, yet they are inadequately protected and highly vulnerable to attack at sea and on land, from both hostile states and terrorists. US intelligence officials have spoken of Russian submarines ?aggressively operating? near Atlantic cables as part of its broader interest in unconventional methods of warfare. When Russia annexed Crimea, one of its first moves was to sever the main cable connection to the outside world. Undersea cables come ashore in just a few remote, coastal locations. These landing sites are critical national infrastructure but often have minimal protection, making them vulnerable to terrorism. A foiled Al-Qaeda plot to destroy a key London internet exchange in 2007 illustrates the credibility of the threat. >> See: https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/undersea-cables-indispensable-insecure/ And so governments must now do something? Gordon From pelkwijk at gmail.com Tue Dec 5 19:51:16 2017 From: pelkwijk at gmail.com (Julius ter Pelkwijk) Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:51:16 +0000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables In-Reply-To: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423@gmail.com> References: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, You mean this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_communications_cable All you need is a shovel and a big axe, and a lot of patience. If you give me enough time I might even be able to find one of those endpoints. Yes, the problem exists, and yes, when the internet goes slower than usual there will be panic, but from what I know is that these "connections" are more robust than people actually think. Its a storm in a glass of water. Julius On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:35 PM Gordon Lennox wrote: > A new report on an old problem. > > << We must do more to protect the indispensable yet insecure internet > infrastructure provided by undersea cables, urges Rishi Sunak MP in a new > report published by Policy Exchange, Undersea Cables: Indispensable, > insecure. > > 97% of global communications and $10 trillion in daily financial > transactions are transmitted not by satellites in the skies, but by cables > lying deep beneath the ocean. Undersea cables are the indispensable > infrastructure of our time, essential to our modern life and digital > economy, yet they are inadequately protected and highly vulnerable to > attack at sea and on land, from both hostile states and terrorists. > > US intelligence officials have spoken of Russian submarines ?aggressively > operating? near Atlantic cables as part of its broader interest in > unconventional methods of warfare. When Russia annexed Crimea, one of its > first moves was to sever the main cable connection to the outside world. > > Undersea cables come ashore in just a few remote, coastal locations. These > landing sites are critical national infrastructure but often have minimal > protection, making them vulnerable to terrorism. A foiled Al-Qaeda plot to > destroy a key London internet exchange in 2007 illustrates the credibility > of the threat. >> > > See: > > > https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/undersea-cables-indispensable-insecure/ > > And so governments must now do something? > > Gordon > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at rfc1035.com Tue Dec 5 20:40:24 2017 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:40:24 +0000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables In-Reply-To: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423@gmail.com> References: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18AEFBE1-BB4B-4E7E-BD52-F872941C72D2@rfc1035.com> > On 5 Dec 2017, at 18:35, Gordon Lennox wrote: > > And so governments must now do something? Well, what do you think governments (and others) should do about this? [Perhaps they already have taken precautions and aren't going to make that public for obvious reasons.] And more importantly, what is or should be the role of this WG in those actions? FWIW these cables get damaged from time to time anyway. ISTR a few years ago a ship dropped an anchor in a rather unfortunate location in the Mediterranean and that caused interweb traffic between Europe and Asia to go via America for a few days until the cable(s) got fixed. Most countries should have sufficient redundancy in their physical cables and landing stations. However that may not be the case for small isolated communities that are far away from where cables tend to be installed. There's always satellite as a backup I suppose. From mir at ripe.net Wed Dec 6 15:17:31 2017 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:17:31 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: From RIPE 75 to IGF 2017 Message-ID: <50c3f378-2cf5-d9ec-0f1f-94b0f17b7053@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, Please find this report by Elif Sert on RIPE Labs in which she describes how being a fellow at RIPE 75 improved her understanding of what the multistakeholder model actually means, and how it will help her when attending the IGF in Geneva later this month: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/elif_sert_1/from-ripe-75-to-igf-2017 Kind regards, Mirjam K?hne RIPE NCC From corinnecath at gmail.com Wed Dec 6 15:42:53 2017 From: corinnecath at gmail.com (Corinne Cath) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:42:53 +0000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Dr. Starosielski wrote a good book about undersea cables and their vulnerability. https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-undersea-network Might be of interest. best, On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 11:00 AM, wrote: > Send cooperation-wg mailing list submissions to > cooperation-wg at ripe.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/cooperation-wg > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cooperation-wg-request at ripe.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cooperation-wg-owner at ripe.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of cooperation-wg digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Undersea cables (Gordon Lennox) > 2. Re: Undersea cables (Julius ter Pelkwijk) > 3. Re: Undersea cables (Jim Reid) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:35:17 +0100 > From: Gordon Lennox > To: Cooperation WG > Subject: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables > Message-ID: <9FE1E343-ECD0-42CE-9B7E-03F731903423 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > A new report on an old problem. > > << We must do more to protect the indispensable yet insecure internet > infrastructure provided by undersea cables, urges Rishi Sunak MP in a new > report published by Policy Exchange, Undersea Cables: Indispensable, > insecure. > > 97% of global communications and $10 trillion in daily financial > transactions are transmitted not by satellites in the skies, but by cables > lying deep beneath the ocean. Undersea cables are the indispensable > infrastructure of our time, essential to our modern life and digital > economy, yet they are inadequately protected and highly vulnerable to > attack at sea and on land, from both hostile states and terrorists. > > US intelligence officials have spoken of Russian submarines ?aggressively > operating? near Atlantic cables as part of its broader interest in > unconventional methods of warfare. When Russia annexed Crimea, one of its > first moves was to sever the main cable connection to the outside world. > > Undersea cables come ashore in just a few remote, coastal locations. These > landing sites are critical national infrastructure but often have minimal > protection, making them vulnerable to terrorism. A foiled Al-Qaeda plot to > destroy a key London internet exchange in 2007 illustrates the credibility > of the threat. >> > > See: > > https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/undersea-cables- > indispensable-insecure/ > > And so governments must now do something? > > Gordon > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 18:51:16 +0000 > From: Julius ter Pelkwijk > To: Gordon Lennox > Cc: Cooperation WG > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Gordon, > > You mean this one? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transatlantic_communications_cable > > All you need is a shovel and a big axe, and a lot of patience. If you give > me enough time I might even be able to find one of those endpoints. Yes, > the problem exists, and yes, when the internet goes slower than usual there > will be panic, but from what I know is that these "connections" are more > robust than people actually think. Its a storm in a glass of water. > > Julius > > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 7:35 PM Gordon Lennox > wrote: > > > A new report on an old problem. > > > > << We must do more to protect the indispensable yet insecure internet > > infrastructure provided by undersea cables, urges Rishi Sunak MP in a new > > report published by Policy Exchange, Undersea Cables: Indispensable, > > insecure. > > > > 97% of global communications and $10 trillion in daily financial > > transactions are transmitted not by satellites in the skies, but by > cables > > lying deep beneath the ocean. Undersea cables are the indispensable > > infrastructure of our time, essential to our modern life and digital > > economy, yet they are inadequately protected and highly vulnerable to > > attack at sea and on land, from both hostile states and terrorists. > > > > US intelligence officials have spoken of Russian submarines ?aggressively > > operating? near Atlantic cables as part of its broader interest in > > unconventional methods of warfare. When Russia annexed Crimea, one of its > > first moves was to sever the main cable connection to the outside world. > > > > Undersea cables come ashore in just a few remote, coastal locations. > These > > landing sites are critical national infrastructure but often have minimal > > protection, making them vulnerable to terrorism. A foiled Al-Qaeda plot > to > > destroy a key London internet exchange in 2007 illustrates the > credibility > > of the threat. >> > > > > See: > > > > > > https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/undersea-cables- > indispensable-insecure/ > > > > And so governments must now do something? > > > > Gordon > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: attachments/20171205/055a54b4/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:40:24 +0000 > From: Jim Reid > To: Gordon Lennox > Cc: Cooperation WG > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Undersea cables > Message-ID: <18AEFBE1-BB4B-4E7E-BD52-F872941C72D2 at rfc1035.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > On 5 Dec 2017, at 18:35, Gordon Lennox > wrote: > > > > And so governments must now do something? > > Well, what do you think governments (and others) should do about this? > [Perhaps they already have taken precautions and aren't going to make that > public for obvious reasons.] And more importantly, what is or should be the > role of this WG in those actions? > > FWIW these cables get damaged from time to time anyway. ISTR a few years > ago a ship dropped an anchor in a rather unfortunate location in the > Mediterranean and that caused interweb traffic between Europe and Asia to > go via America for a few days until the cable(s) got fixed. > > Most countries should have sufficient redundancy in their physical cables > and landing stations. However that may not be the case for small isolated > communities that are far away from where cables tend to be installed. > There's always satellite as a backup I suppose. > > > End of cooperation-wg Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1 > ********************************************* > -- Corinne Cath Ph.D. Candidate, Oxford Internet Institute & Alan Turing Institute Web: www.oii.ox.ac.uk/people/corinne-cath Email: ccath at turing.ac.uk & corinnecath at gmail.com Twitter: @C_Cath -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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See the latest posts here: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/igf-2017-liveblog We?d love to hear your comments on the blog, or on the issues being discussed at the IGF, or on issues that you think should get a bit more attention at the IGF! And of course, we?re looking forward to catching up with some RIPE community members in town this week. Best regards, Chris ??? Chris Buckridge External Relations Manager RIPE NCC From ripencc-management at ripe.net Tue Dec 19 09:44:27 2017 From: ripencc-management at ripe.net (Paul Rendek) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 09:44:27 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] CENTR and RIPE NCC Sign MoU at IGF 2017 Message-ID: <5d7d4593dd6b6c8ebd8f70a1e316b2a9@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, Yesterday we signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the (CENTR). The agreement was signed alongside the 2017 Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Geneva. The agreement formalises the existing relationship between the RIPE NCC and CENTR. CENTR agreed to invite RIPE NCC staff to its General Assemblies and to participate within its Technical Working Group, while the RIPE NCC agreed to invite CENTR staff to its Roundtable Meetings. Both parties agreed to involve one another in areas of mutual interest, and also agreed to promote the use of IPv6 among their respective memberships. The RIPE NCC and CENTR will also continue to jointly organise trainings and promote capacity building in Europe, with a specific focus on providing training to European policy-makers and other stakeholders. You can learn more in the news announcement: https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-and-centr-sign-mou You can also find the MoU itself, along with the other agreements we have with external organisations, on our website: https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations The signing of this MoU is a good opportunity to revisit some of the shared history between the RIPE NCC and CENTR, which goes back almost 20 years. We have outlined some of these early beginnings in an article on RIPE Labs: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/centr-and-the-ripe-ncc-two-organisations-with-a-shared-history Regards Paul Rendek Director of External Relations RIPE NCC From ripe-wgs.cs at schiefner.de Tue Dec 19 10:26:17 2017 From: ripe-wgs.cs at schiefner.de (Carsten Schiefner) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:26:17 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] CENTR and RIPE NCC Sign MoU at IGF 2017 In-Reply-To: <5d7d4593dd6b6c8ebd8f70a1e316b2a9@ripe.net> References: <5d7d4593dd6b6c8ebd8f70a1e316b2a9@ripe.net> Message-ID: <76bf8eba-da12-1258-1b75-5096f8b26559@schiefner.de> All - given the fact, that CENTR got kicked off as a RIPE NCC project about two decades ago as also stated, this is truly a remarkable... evolvement? Accomplishment? ;-) Anyhow: seasonal greetings! -C On 19.12.2017 09:44, Paul Rendek wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > Yesterday we signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with the > (CENTR). The agreement was signed alongside the 2017 Internet Governance > Forum (IGF) in Geneva. > > The agreement formalises the existing relationship between the RIPE NCC > and CENTR. CENTR agreed to invite RIPE NCC staff to its General > Assemblies and to participate within its Technical Working Group, while > the RIPE NCC agreed to invite CENTR staff to its Roundtable Meetings. > Both parties agreed to involve one another in areas of mutual interest, > and also agreed to promote the use of IPv6 among their respective > memberships. > > The RIPE NCC and CENTR will also continue to jointly organise trainings > and promote capacity building in Europe, with a specific focus on > providing training to European policy-makers and other stakeholders. > > You can learn more in the news announcement: > https://www.ripe.net/publications/news/announcements/ripe-ncc-and-centr-sign-mou > > > You can also find the MoU itself, along with the other agreements we > have with external organisations, on our website: > https://www.ripe.net/about-us/what-we-do/engagement-external-organisations > > The signing of this MoU is a good opportunity to revisit some of the > shared history between the RIPE NCC and CENTR, which goes back almost 20 > years. We have outlined some of these early beginnings in an article on > RIPE Labs: > https://labs.ripe.net/Members/mirjam/centr-and-the-ripe-ncc-two-organisations-with-a-shared-history > > > Regards > > Paul Rendek > Director of External Relations > RIPE NCC From acastle at ripe.net Tue Dec 19 10:46:56 2017 From: acastle at ripe.net (Adam Castle) Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 10:46:56 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] DMARC Solution Applied to this Mailing List Message-ID: Dear Working Group, As more email providers enable Domain Message Authentication Reporting & Conformance (DMARC), some people find they can no longer receive emails from the mailing lists they are subscribed to. We have deployed a Mailman setting change to address this problem. After consultation with the RIPE Working Group Chairs, we have enabled the DMARC "Munge From" setting on all RIPE mailing lists. This means that if your email service provider has DMARC enabled, you will continue to receive all emails sent to this mailing list, but the "From" part of the header will change. If you don't have DMARC enabled, you won't see any change to the emails you receive from this mailing list. You can find more information about how we have been handling DMARC in the following RIPE Labs articles: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/adam_castle/dmarc-and-the-ripe-ncc https://labs.ripe.net/Members/adam_castle/ripe-mailing-lists-and-dmarc To ensure all working group participants are aware of the changes, I am sending this mail to all working groups. If you have any questions or encounter any issues on this mailing list, please let me know. Many thanks. Adam Castle Web Services Manager RIPE NCC