From nurani at netnod.se Sat Apr 2 19:20:40 2016 From: nurani at netnod.se (Nurani Nimpuno) Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:20:40 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Fwd: [NRO-IANAXFER] CRISP Team review of the Updated 5th Draft SLA for the IANA Numbering Services References: <56FF072C.7000008@nic.ad.jp> Message-ID: <5FD10B60-7FF0-44BE-B349-32822783ABC3@netnod.se> FYI. Nurani Vice chair, CRISP team Begin forwarded message: > From: Izumi Okutani > Date: 2 April 2016 at 01:41:32 GMT+2 > To: ianaxfer at nro.net > Subject: [NRO-IANAXFER] CRISP Team review of the Updated 5th Draft SLA for the IANA Numbering Services > > Dear Colleagues, > > > The CRISP Team has reviewed the 5th Draft SLA, and we observe no inconsistencies observed with the number community proposal, i.e., the ICG proposal,including the changes made from the 4th Draft. > > Updated 5th Draft SLA for the IANA Numbering Services > https://www.nro.net/news/updated-5th-draft-sla-for-the-iana-numbering-services > > The focus of our review remains unchanged, and we primarily reviewed whether the SLA sufficiently covers the following four key elements of the number community proposal. > > * Service level requirements of the IANA Numbering Services are clearly defined to meet the expectations of the RIRs and the Internet numbers community > * The RIRs, and the Internet number Community through the Review Committee are able to conduct review of the service level, to ensure the service level is met in accordance with the SLA > * The RIRs have the ability to terminate the SLA, while at the same time ensuring the stability of the IANA Numbering Services, in accordance with the number community proposal > * The IPR and rights over data are transferred, in accordance with the number community proposal > > We would like to thank RIRs and ICANN for developing the 5th Draft in timely manner, and sharing it in a continued transparent manner with Internet number community. > For accountability of the SLA to be based on the ICG proposal with support from the community, it is our expectation that the completion of this SLA will continue to take place in such a transparent and open manner. > > As we have expressed in our review for the 4th Draft, as SLA provides the Internet number community with its required accountability measures on IANA Numbering Services, it must be considered as an essential commitment along with other improvements to ICANN?s accountability. While the SLA will have no effect until the transition actually takes place on 30 September 2016, it should be finalsed and signed, no later than the finalised changes to the ICANN Bylaws which have been specified by CCWG-accountability. > > It is our understanding and expectation that, the next version, reflecting feedback from the public comment by NRO until 15th April will be the final version of the SLA. > We trust the RIRs and ICANN continue to work constructively and transparently to finalise an SLA that respects the wishes of the number community including the timeline of its finalisation. > > > Best Regards, > Izumi Okutani and Nurani Nimpuno > on behalf of the CRISP Team > > _______________________________________________ > ianaxfer mailing list > ianaxfer at nro.net > https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 12:46:29 2016 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:46:29 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter Message-ID: << Republican Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz (and others) has sent yet another letter to ICANN. This time round, the letter is addressed both to the Chairman of the ICANN Board, Dr Steve Crocker, as well as to former CEO Fadi Chehad?. The letter repeats some of the questions previously put to ICANN, though the wording is much blunter this time round. . . . >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160405_cruz_and_co_send_icann_another_letter/ From marty at akamai.com Wed Apr 6 12:56:58 2016 From: marty at akamai.com (Hannigan, Martin) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 10:56:58 +0000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> Hi Gordon, He's also acting in his capacity as a seated United States Senator, not a President candidate. Best, Marty > On Apr 6, 2016, at 06:47, Gordon Lennox wrote: > > > << Republican Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz (and others) has sent yet another letter to ICANN. This time round, the letter is addressed both to the Chairman of the ICANN Board, Dr Steve Crocker, as well as to former CEO Fadi Chehad?. > > The letter repeats some of the questions previously put to ICANN, though the wording is much blunter this time round. > > . . . >> > > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160405_cruz_and_co_send_icann_another_letter/ From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 14:02:12 2016 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:02:12 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter In-Reply-To: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> References: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> Message-ID: <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> Yes. So many people and so many different hats. One can easily get confused. But my attention to this was drawn by a post by Steve Crocker. So speaking for myself - no hat! - I wonder again how different people think ICANN relates to the various sovereign states around the world. The last time I looked ICANN was still a not-for-profit incorporated in California. So a charity subject primarily to Californian law? Gordon PS Trivia question of the moment: how does ICANN?s budget compare with the ITU budget? > On 06 Apr 2016, at 12:56, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > > Hi Gordon, > > He's also acting in his capacity as a seated United States Senator, not a President candidate. > > Best, > > Marty > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 06:47, Gordon Lennox wrote: >> >> >> << Republican Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz (and others) has sent yet another letter to ICANN. This time round, the letter is addressed both to the Chairman of the ICANN Board, Dr Steve Crocker, as well as to former CEO Fadi Chehad?. >> >> The letter repeats some of the questions previously put to ICANN, though the wording is much blunter this time round. >> >> . . . >> >> >> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160405_cruz_and_co_send_icann_another_letter/ From rhill at hill-a.ch Wed Apr 6 14:27:03 2016 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 14:27:03 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter In-Reply-To: <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> References: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01b401d18fff$a04405e0$e0cc11a0$@ch> ITU's budget is about CHF 165 million per year. ICANN's budget for fiscal year 2016 is about $ 113 million (CHF 108 million). Best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf > Of Gordon Lennox > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 14:02 > To: Cooperation WG > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter > > Yes. So many people and so many different hats. One can easily get > confused. > > But my attention to this was drawn by a post by Steve Crocker. > > So speaking for myself - no hat! - I wonder again how different people > think ICANN relates to the various sovereign states around the world. > The last time I looked ICANN was still a not-for-profit incorporated in > California. So a charity subject primarily to Californian law? > > Gordon > > PS Trivia question of the moment: how does ICANN?s budget compare with > the ITU budget? > > > > On 06 Apr 2016, at 12:56, Hannigan, Martin wrote: > > > > > > Hi Gordon, > > > > He's also acting in his capacity as a seated United States Senator, > not a President candidate. > > > > Best, > > > > Marty > > > >> On Apr 6, 2016, at 06:47, Gordon Lennox > wrote: > >> > >> > >> << Republican Presidential hopeful Ted Cruz (and others) has sent > yet another letter to ICANN. This time round, the letter is addressed > both to the Chairman of the ICANN Board, Dr Steve Crocker, as well as > to former CEO Fadi Chehad?. > >> > >> The letter repeats some of the questions previously put to ICANN, > though the wording is much blunter this time round. > >> > >> . . . >> > >> > >> > http://www.circleid.com/posts/20160405_cruz_and_co_send_icann_another_l > etter/ > > From avri at acm.org Wed Apr 6 14:57:46 2016 From: avri at acm.org (avri doria) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:57:46 -0300 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter In-Reply-To: <01b401d18fff$a04405e0$e0cc11a0$@ch> References: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> <01b401d18fff$a04405e0$e0cc11a0$@ch> Message-ID: <570507CA.5040302@acm.org> Hi, Does ITU get other contributions in kind? For example how much does it pay on rent for its offices and such or are these rent free leases? Also I have wondered are any of its staff seconded from other organizations, either from with the UN or from the nation state members? I do not dispute your reveal of equivalent budgets, but want to make sure that we aren't comparing Oranges and Grapes. avri On 06-Apr-16 09:27, Richard Hill wrote: > ITU's budget is about CHF 165 million per year. ICANN's budget for fiscal year 2016 is about $ 113 million (CHF 108 million). > > Best, > Richard --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jim at rfc1035.com Wed Apr 6 18:32:58 2016 From: jim at rfc1035.com (Jim Reid) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:32:58 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] ITU/ICANN budget comparisons In-Reply-To: <570507CA.5040302@acm.org> References: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> <01b401d18fff$a04405e0$e0cc11a0$@ch> <570507CA.5040302@acm.org> Message-ID: <31B52506-B672-4650-AA3C-B546FC2DAD76@rfc1035.com> On 6 Apr 2016, at 13:57, avri doria wrote: > Does ITU get other contributions in kind? For example how much does it > pay on rent for its offices and such or are these rent free leases? > > ... > I do not dispute your reveal of equivalent budgets, but want to make > sure that we aren't comparing Oranges and Grapes. Indeed. IIUC, ITU is exempt from payroll taxes (and corporate taxes?) because it is an international treaty organisation. That status also means the ITU has diplomatic immunity and cannot be sued => it should burn much less money on lawyers and insurance premiums than ICANN does. From rhill at hill-a.ch Wed Apr 6 20:16:22 2016 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 20:16:22 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter In-Reply-To: <570507CA.5040302@acm.org> References: <78A813F8-FDE2-411B-92CF-55AF436B2CBF@akamai.com> <013F5F79-9396-410F-8D86-53C73D9167A6@gmail.com> <01b401d18fff$a04405e0$e0cc11a0$@ch> <570507CA.5040302@acm.org> Message-ID: <000301d19030$6c9921e0$45cb65a0$@ch> Dear Avri, Indeed it is very difficult to compare the budgets of governmental or intergovernmental entities with those of private sector organizations. As Jim Reid has correctly pointed out, UN organizations (including ITU) have sovereign immunity, they do not pay taxes (but they do pay a proportion of total salaries to the host country in lieu of taxes), and they cannot be sued in ordinary courts, so certain legal fees are lower. On the other hand, they have to follow UN rules regarding procurement (which raises procurement costs), pay employee benefits according to UN rules (which include generous health insurance and pension benefits), and are subject to the jurisdiction of a special tribunal for labor disputes, with rules that are more favorable to employees than in many national jurisdictions. In terms of in-kind benefits, UN organizations in Geneva (including ITU) get a deal from the Swiss government on the buildings they occupy, in the form of interest free loans and/or no-cost use of the land. More fundamentally, the scope of ICANN's and ITU's activities are very different, so their overall budgets are not directly comparable. Best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: cooperation-wg [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net] On Behalf > Of avri doria > Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2016 14:58 > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Cruz and Co Send ICANN Another Letter > > Hi, > > Does ITU get other contributions in kind? For example how much does it > pay on rent for its offices and such or are these rent free leases? > > Also I have wondered are any of its staff seconded from other > organizations, either from with the UN or from the nation state > members? > > I do not dispute your reveal of equivalent budgets, but want to make > sure that we aren't comparing Oranges and Grapes. > > avri > > On 06-Apr-16 09:27, Richard Hill wrote: > > ITU's budget is about CHF 165 million per year. ICANN's budget for > fiscal year 2016 is about $ 113 million (CHF 108 million). > > > > Best, > > Richard > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 13:56:02 2016 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:56:02 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Net Futures 2016 Message-ID: <3386B692-B4E5-4D96-B368-07ADAACE1E08@gmail.com> Last week saw Net Futures 2016 in Brussels. http://netfutures2016.eu/ A good opportunity to hear people like Andrus Ansip - Vice-President & Commissioner for Digital Single Market, G?nther Oettinger - Commissioner for Digital Economy & Society, Lise Fuhr - Director General of ETNO, Mats Granryd - GSMA Director General and so on; people you tend not to get all together in the same place that often. There are various videos available and I have been told slide-packs may be available soon. But I can recommend a look at the speeches given by the two Commissioners: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/ansip/announcements/speech-given-vice-president-ansip-net-futures-2016-driving-growth-digital-single-market_en https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/oettinger/announcements/keynote-speech-closing-plenary-session-net-futures-2016-brussels_en It was interesting how various ideas were presented. The current ?consumer Internet? versus the future ?industrial Internet?. The perceived need to move from "one size fits all" and "best effort", towards networks that can adapt to the different requirements of different vertical sectors, and that can deliver "guaranteed and ubiquitous quality of service?. The tying together of ?things" with 5G. So a ?thing? is something with one or more sim?s? And so it is somehow tied to mobile operator? And anyway 5G does almost everything? And so on. I could recommend going to Net Futures 2017! Gordon From paf at frobbit.se Sun Apr 24 14:03:43 2016 From: paf at frobbit.se (Patrik =?utf-8?b?RsOkbHRzdHLDtm0=?=) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:03:43 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Net Futures 2016 In-Reply-To: <3386B692-B4E5-4D96-B368-07ADAACE1E08@gmail.com> References: <3386B692-B4E5-4D96-B368-07ADAACE1E08@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 24 Apr 2016, at 13:56, Gordon Lennox wrote: > The perceived need to move from "one size fits all" and "best effort", towards networks that can adapt to the different requirements of different vertical sectors, and that can deliver "guaranteed and ubiquitous quality of service?. Oh...I was hoping we where going away from vertical sectors, at last. > The tying together of ?things" with 5G. So a ?thing? is something with one or more sim?s? And so it is somehow tied to mobile operator? > > And anyway 5G does almost everything? > > And so on. > > I could recommend going to Net Futures 2017! Sounds like "an interesting experience"... paf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 203 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Sun Apr 24 15:24:48 2016 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:24:48 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Net Futures 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <3386B692-B4E5-4D96-B368-07ADAACE1E08@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1596274C-EB5B-471E-A5DD-E5053836DA57@gmail.com> Some years ago I was invited by EuroIX to try and explain what Brussels, the Commission, the EU did. My short answer was roughly three things: ** fund projects and studies. A big chunk of funding. And work which often also feeds back into how they see the world. ** make the rules. At its simplest the Commission proposes regulation and the Member States and Parliament adopt. ** do policy. Which means presenting, pushing, ideas in the wider world. Not to be underestimated! The two speeches give a good idea, if you read carefully, of how the Commission currently sees the "future Internet? - of what they will fund, the rules they will propose and of what they will support. Gordon > On 24 Apr 2016, at 14:03, Patrik F?ltstr?m wrote: > > On 24 Apr 2016, at 13:56, Gordon Lennox wrote: > >> The perceived need to move from "one size fits all" and "best effort", towards networks that can adapt to the different requirements of different vertical sectors, and that can deliver "guaranteed and ubiquitous quality of service?. > > Oh...I was hoping we where going away from vertical sectors, at last. > >> The tying together of ?things" with 5G. So a ?thing? is something with one or more sim?s? And so it is somehow tied to mobile operator? >> >> And anyway 5G does almost everything? >> >> And so on. >> >> I could recommend going to Net Futures 2017! > > Sounds like "an interesting experience"... > > paf From mir at ripe.net Thu Apr 28 14:28:39 2016 From: mir at ripe.net (Mirjam Kuehne) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 14:28:39 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] New on RIPE Labs: Broadband Services and Infrastructure Mapping In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear colleagues, Please find on RIPE Labs a short report about a conference on Broadband Services and Infrastructure Mapping, where a number of interesting mapping projects were presented. My colleague Emile Aben attended and presented RIPE Atlas: https://labs.ripe.net/Members/emileaben/broadband-services-and-infrastructure-mapping?pk_campaign=labs&pk_kwd=list-coopwg Kind regards, Mirjam Kuehne RIPE NCC From gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com Sat Apr 30 23:00:08 2016 From: gordon.lennox.13 at gmail.com (Gordon Lennox) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 23:00:08 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Elephants and eIDs Message-ID: Some people here may remember the presentation on eIDs at a previous RIPE meeting. https://labs.ripe.net/Members/chrisb/engaging-with-eu-legislative-process A draft Commission document which mentions eIDs has recently been ?leaked?. http://www.politico.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Platforms-Communication.pdf See in particular the top of page 12. I understand from folk within the bubble (the Brussels/EU bubble) that this kind of thing is now seen as a way of testing the reaction of experts, of those really interested, before proceeding. So any prompt reaction, and this could be individual reactions rather than the reactions of organisations, may be useful. Indeed any reaction now may more useful than when the Commission has taken a formal position on the proposal and when the services are naturally obliged to defend it. This item from The Register - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/29/eu_login_youtube_national_id_card/ - would suggest that one person to write to is the Estonian Commissioner. Regards, Gordon