From chrisb at ripe.net Fri Oct 3 12:29:26 2014 From: chrisb at ripe.net (Chris Buckridge) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:29:26 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] RIPE NCC and CENTR Hold Joint Meeting With Governments References: <7110A52E-CC24-4E6E-AA2C-BC9C6193907C@ripe.net> Message-ID: <98B65830-27D8-45EC-B450-E864541AF5D1@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, The RIPE NCC and CENTR, the European country code top-level domain (TLD) organisation, held a meeting on Wednesday, 1 October 2014, in Brussels, Belgium, for governments and regulators to discuss issues of relevance to both the RIPE and CENTR communities. The meeting was part of the CENTR General Assembly and was held adjacent to a meeting of the European Commission High Level Group on Internet Governance, attracting approximately 100 representatives from governments, industry and the Internet technical community. Dominating the agenda was a discussion of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) oversight transition process that is currently ongoing. Paul Rendek, RIPE NCC Director of External Relations, participated in a panel with Nominet?s Martin Boyle and Afnic?s Mathieu Weill, chaired by Peter Vergote, Chairman of the CENTR Board of Directors. This panel addressed the discussion process currently underway in the RIPE and TLD communities regarding both the IANA stewardship and ICANN accountability. The RIPE NCC presentation described the relationship between the Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and IANA, the model of regional Internet number policy development, efforts to document the RIRs? accountability to their stakeholders, the discussion of IANA stewardship in the RIPE community, and some of the key principles that have emerged from that discussion. These principles include a preference for minimal operational change and to build on existing structures and processes to formalise the RIR communities? role as stewards of global Internet number registration. The panel was followed by vibrant discussion, with many governments and other attendees contributing. Many expressed concern about the timeline leading up to the expiration of the current contract in September 2015, and the challenge of reaching an agreement on a proposal for future IANA oversight upon which all affected communities can agree. RIPE NCC Chief Scientist Daniel Karrenberg was among those who stressed the importance of early and effective communication between all parties to assure the best chance of a widely accepted outcome to the process. Several governments also suggested the possibility of a neutral third-party assuming the oversight role currently held by the National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA). Others noted that such an arrangement would be contrary to preferences already expressed in the RIR and Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) communities. The meeting also included discussion of upcoming Internet governance events, particularly the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) Plenipotentiary 2014 (PP14). Chris Buckridge presented on the RIPE NCC's priorities going into this event, and the focus on providing expert technical advice to ITU Member States, particularly when discussions touch on issues such as IP address registration, allocation and policy-making. Presentation slides delivered by the RIPE NCC are available online: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/roundtable/october-2014/presentations Additional information on the IANA oversight transition is available at: https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition/ The next RIPE NCC Roundtable Meeting for Governments and Regulators will be held in early 2015, with details to be announced closer to the event itself. 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Best regards, Chris Buckridge, RIPE NCC RIPE Community IANA Stewardship Proposal [DRAFT] ???????????????????????? The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to work with the other RIRs to produce a common proposal for a legally binding agreement (such as a Service Level Agreement) between ICANN and the RIRs to replace the Internet number-related elements of the ICANN-NTIA agreement. This proposal should meet the requirements of the Request For Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transistion Coordination Group (ICG). The proposal should bring the provisions of the agreement related to the services and service levels up-to-date with current requirements where necessary. This work should be coordinated with the other users of the IANA function as much as practical, with the aim of producing a proposed arrangement that is compatible with the proposed arrangements of the other IANA users. The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC and the other RIRs keep it informed about progress and content of the proposal. The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2608 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rhill at hill-a.ch Fri Oct 17 00:46:35 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:46:35 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Test Message-ID: I seem not to have received some messages posted to this list, so I'm sending this as a test. Richard From rhill at hill-a.ch Fri Oct 17 00:54:35 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:54:35 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process Message-ID: I refer to the message at: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. html It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015." Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some other) mailing list? Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. Best, Richard From chrisb at ripe.net Fri Oct 17 01:37:53 2014 From: chrisb at ripe.net (Chris Buckridge) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:37:53 -0700 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Richard, all, Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). More information on this is available at: https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. I hope this goes some way to answering your question. Best regards, Chris On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill wrote: > I refer to the message at: > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. > html > > It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA > transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015." > > Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going > to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? > > Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some > other) mailing list? > > Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the > global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. > > Best, > Richard > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2608 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rhill at hill-a.ch Fri Oct 17 10:08:31 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 10:08:31 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Chris, Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question. My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically directed at RIPE. Again, here is my question: > [The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA > transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015." > > Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going > to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? > > Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some > other) mailing list? Best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 > To: rhill at hill-a.ch > Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > Hello Richard, all, > > Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR > IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible > for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR > communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal > to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > > More information on this is available at: > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new public mailing list: https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. I hope this goes some way to answering your question. Best regards, Chris On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill wrote: > I refer to the message at: > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. > html > > It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA > transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015." > > Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal going > to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? > > Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some > other) mailing list? > > Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the > global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. > > Best, > Richard > > From chrisb at ripe.net Mon Oct 20 14:29:58 2014 From: chrisb at ripe.net (Chris Buckridge) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 22:29:58 +1000 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, all, Thank you for the clarification. A couple of points initially: - The proposal that you are quoting is a draft text, intended as input to a community discussion - obviously it should not be regarded as final, and any sections that are unclear or problematic should be refined over the coming weeks. [Text of the draft proposal is available at: https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition] - The text was published prior to the announcement of the proposed Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that was referred to in my earlier mail. The CRISP team proposal will likely have some implications for the RIPE community proposal text. [Text of the CRISP team proposal is available at: https://nro.net/crisp-team] It is expected that the RIPE community will finalise its proposal in early December, and pass this to the proposed CRISP team, who will be responsible for producing a consolidated proposal from all five RIR communities. If I understand correctly, your question is whether this consolidated proposal will be circulated back to the five RIR communities for discussion before being passed to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) on (or before) 15 January. The CRISP proposal noted in my earlier mail specifies that all work by the CRISP team will be conducted on public mailing lists and teleconferences, allowing for the community to monitor this consolidation process as it occurs. It is likely that the CRISP team would plan to circulate a consolidated proposal back to the five RIR communities (either via theianaxfer at nro.net mailing list or the individual community forums), but the details of that process will be something for the CRISP team to decide. Obviously it would entail a trade-off in terms of time for their own work and deliberation. Community input and feedback would be a major factor in that decision, so I would urge anyone with strong feelings on this or any other aspects of the RIPE or CRISP proposals to raise their concerns explicitly on this mailing list. At the same time, I would encourage anyone supportive of the current proposals to voice that support. Best regards, Chris On 17 Oct 2014, at 18:08, Richard Hill wrote: > Dear Chris, > > Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question. > > My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically > directed at RIPE. > > Again, here is my question: > >> [The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to > complete the [IANA >> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th > 2015." >> >> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal > going >> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? >> >> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some >> other) mailing list? > > Best, > Richard > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] >> Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 >> To: rhill at hill-a.ch >> Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group >> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process >> >> >> Hello Richard, all, >> >> Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR >> IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible >> for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR >> communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal >> to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). >> >> More information on this is available at: >> https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con > solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR > communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences and a new > public mailing list: > https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer > > All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the current proposal > is acceptable to the community, an open call for community representatives > to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. > > I hope this goes some way to answering your question. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill wrote: > >> I refer to the message at: >> >> > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. >> html >> >> It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA >> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th > 2015." >> >> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal > going >> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? >> >> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some >> other) mailing list? >> >> Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the >> global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. >> >> Best, >> Richard >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2608 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rhill at hill-a.ch Mon Oct 20 14:37:20 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 14:37:20 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Chris, Thank you for this helpful reply, which does indeed clarify some points. But I'm still not clear on something. The RIPE "proposal" that you refer to below is a very short text, and it does not appear to me to be a response to the RFP issued by the ICG. So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?" Thanks and best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > Sent: lundi, 20. octobre 2014 14:30 > To: rhill at hill-a.ch > Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > Hi Richard, all, > > Thank you for the clarification. A couple of points initially: > > - The proposal that you are quoting is a draft text, intended as > input to a community discussion - obviously it should not be > regarded as final, and any sections that are unclear or > problematic should be refined over the coming weeks. > [Text of the draft proposal is available at: > https://www.ripe.net/iana-oversight-transition] > > - The text was published prior to the announcement of the > proposed Consolidated RIR IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team > that was referred to in my earlier mail. The CRISP team proposal > will likely have some implications for the RIPE community proposal text. > [Text of the CRISP team proposal is available at: > https://nro.net/crisp-team] > > It is expected that the RIPE community will finalise its proposal > in early December, and pass this to the proposed CRISP team, who > will be responsible for producing a consolidated proposal from > all five RIR communities. > > If I understand correctly, your question is whether this > consolidated proposal will be circulated back to the five RIR > communities for discussion before being passed to the IANA > Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) on (or before) 15 > January. > > The CRISP proposal noted in my earlier mail specifies that all > work by the CRISP team will be conducted on public mailing lists > and teleconferences, allowing for the community to monitor this > consolidation process as it occurs. It is likely that the CRISP > team would plan to circulate a consolidated proposal back to the > five RIR communities (either via theianaxfer at nro.net mailing list > or the individual community forums), but the details of that > process will be something for the CRISP team to decide. Obviously > it would entail a trade-off in terms of time for their own work > and deliberation. > > Community input and feedback would be a major factor in that > decision, so I would urge anyone with strong feelings on this or > any other aspects of the RIPE or CRISP proposals to raise their > concerns explicitly on this mailing list. > > At the same time, I would encourage anyone supportive of the > current proposals to voice that support. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > > > On 17 Oct 2014, at 18:08, Richard Hill wrote: > > > Dear Chris, > > > > Thank you for this but, no, it does not answer my question. > > > > My question was not related to the global process, it was specifically > > directed at RIPE. > > > > Again, here is my question: > > > >> [The message from RIPE] says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to > > complete the [IANA > >> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th > > 2015." > >> > >> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal > > going > >> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? > >> > >> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to > this (or some > >> other) mailing list? > > > > Best, > > Richard > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > >> Sent: vendredi, 17. octobre 2014 01:38 > >> To: rhill at hill-a.ch > >> Cc: RIPE Cooperation Working Group > >> Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > >> > >> > >> Hello Richard, all, > >> > >> Today the five RIRs published a proposal for a Consolidated RIR > >> IANA Stewardship Proposal (CRISP) team that will be responsible > >> for consolidating IANA stewardship proposals from the five RIR > >> communities into a single Internet numbering community proposal > >> to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > >> > >> More information on this is available at: > >> https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/con > > solidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > > > The proposal establishes a group of 15 individuals, drawn from the RIR > > communities and staff, who will work via public teleconferences > and a new > > public mailing list: > > https://www.nro.net/mailman/listinfo/ianaxfer > > > > All are welcome to comment on this proposal; assuming the > current proposal > > is acceptable to the community, an open call for community > representatives > > to participate on the CRISP team will be issued shortly. > > > > I hope this goes some way to answering your question. > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > > > > > On 16 Oct 2014, at 15:54, Richard Hill wrote: > > > >> I refer to the message at: > >> > >> > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-October/000620. >> html >> >> It says "The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the [IANA >> transition] proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th > 2015." >> >> Does RIPE NCC refer to the staff of the RIR? That is, is the proposal > going >> to be written by the staff and directly submitted to the ICG? >> >> Or is the proposal going to be submitted for discussion to this (or some >> other) mailing list? >> >> Please recall that the IANA transition process is supposed to involve the >> global multi-stakeholder community, and not just the RIPE community. >> >> Best, >> Richard >> >> > > From hph at oslo.net Wed Oct 22 01:35:40 2014 From: hph at oslo.net (Hans Petter Holen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:35:40 +0900 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Initial Draft: RIPE Community IANA Stewardship Proposal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5446EDCC.5020602@oslo.net> Hi, To get the discussion going on the principles outlined below, I have added my comments and is eager to see feedback from others, > > RIPE Community IANA Stewardship Proposal [DRAFT] > ???????????????????????? > > The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to work with the other RIRs to produce a common proposal for a legally binding agreement (such as a Service Level Agreement) between ICANN and the RIRs to replace the Internet number-related elements of the ICANN-NTIA agreement. I think this makes sense. It is important that the numbering community comes up with one joint proposal. > > This proposal should meet the requirements of the Request For Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transistion Coordination Group (ICG). That is wise. Even more important is that it meets the requirements from the US governments. > > The proposal should bring the provisions of the agreement related to the services and service levels up-to-date with current requirements where necessary. This is perhaps the bulk of the job. Without the US Governemet IANA contract - what provisions needs to be taken into the RIR-IANA agreements directly. > > This work should be coordinated with the other users of the IANA function as much as practical, with the aim of producing a proposed arrangement that is compatible with the proposed arrangements of the other IANA users. There has been a discussion on the IETF list on separability of IANA functions. As IP addresses is a protocol parameter that seems natural, but may not be a hard requirement. Coordination is good as long as we produce a good proposal that serves our community and internet users in general with regards to number resources. > > The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC and the other RIRs keep it informed about progress and content of the proposal. This is very important. > > The RIPE community asks the RIPE NCC to complete the proposal and to submit it to the ICG before January 15th 2015. Sounds like a reasonable requirement. I think one of the important principles we should add is that the proposal should build on our existing framework and governance structure as described in https://www.nro.net/about-the-nro/rir-governance-matrix for the RIPE NCC. Hans Petter -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net From hph at oslo.net Wed Oct 22 01:41:49 2014 From: hph at oslo.net (Hans Petter Holen) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:41:49 +0900 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5446EF3D.1030009@oslo.net> On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: > So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a > response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC > staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is > submitted to CRIP?" I think some of the answer may be found in https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team and on https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. 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Thanks again and best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is submitted to CRIP?"I think some of the answer may be found in https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardshi p-proposal-team and on https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidate d-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. -- Hans Petter Holen Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chrisb at ripe.net Wed Oct 22 09:40:18 2014 From: chrisb at ripe.net (Chris Buckridge) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:40:18 +0900 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Richard, all, Attempting a more specific answer to that question: According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). [The RFP text is available at: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-08sep14-en.pdf] The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, based on the RFP template. As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in this working group. Best regards, Chris On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill wrote: > Dear Hans Petter, > > Thank you for this, it is helpful. > > But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. > > Thanks again and best, > Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: >> So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a >> response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC >> staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is >> submitted to CRIP?" >> > I think some of the answer may be found in > https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team > > and on > > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. > > I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. > > > -- > Hans Petter Holen > Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | > hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks and best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 > To: rhill at hill-a.ch > Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > Dear Richard, all, > > Attempting a more specific answer to that question: > > According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded > as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific > response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA > Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > > [The RFP text is available at: > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 > 8sep14-en.pdf] > > The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level > RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the > community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The > current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. > > To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this > document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that > this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. > > The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals > that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be > expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is > no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this > template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as > the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for > the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of > priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, > based on the RFP template. > > As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in > this working group. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill wrote: > > > Dear Hans Petter, > > > > Thank you for this, it is helpful. > > > > But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my > question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, > what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. > > > > Thanks again and best, > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: >> So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a >> response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC >> staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is >> submitted to CRIP?" >> > I think some of the answer may be found in > https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- proposal-team > > and on > > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. > > I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. > > > -- > Hans Petter Holen > Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | > hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net > > > From seun.ojedeji at gmail.com Wed Oct 22 10:09:51 2014 From: seun.ojedeji at gmail.com (Seun Ojedeji) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:09:51 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Richard Hill wrote: > Thanks for this. > > So, to be clear, the proposal is that RIPE NCC will not prepare a specific > response to the ICG RFP, rather it will delegate to CRISP the task of > preparing a draft response. > Same with the AFRINIC region and i think will applies to other RIRs > > The draft prepared by CRISP will be posted to this mailing list for > discussion and comments. > > Is that correct? > > This is also how i understood it. However i would expect that mailing list to be the NRO list which is more global. Although noting prevents cross-posting. > If yes, then I would propose that RIPE NCC request CRISP to take into > account, when preparing the draft response, all the comments that have been > posted to date to this mailing list. > > Well if you ask me i did say that no major specific discussion/proposal has really happened ;) also it can be unrealistic to task a team yet to be formed to look at previous comments. While they may do that, i think when the team get formed, the 2 RIPE members should find a way of collecting comments from its region as same will be done in other regions as well. Cheers! > Thanks and best, > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 > > To: rhill at hill-a.ch > > Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg at ripe.net > > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > > > > Dear Richard, all, > > > > Attempting a more specific answer to that question: > > > > According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded > > as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific > > response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA > > Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > > > > [The RFP text is available at: > > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 > > 8sep14-en.pdf] > > > > The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level > > RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the > > community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The > > current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. > > > > To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this > > document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that > > this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. > > > > The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals > > that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be > > expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is > > no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this > > template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as > > the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for > > the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of > > priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, > > based on the RFP template. > > > > As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in > > this working group. > > > > Best regards, > > Chris > > > > > > On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill wrote: > > > > > Dear Hans Petter, > > > > > > Thank you for this, it is helpful. > > > > > > But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my > > question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, > > what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. > > > > > > Thanks again and best, > > > Richard > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net > [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen > > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 > > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > > On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: > >> So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare > a > >> response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE > NCC > >> staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is > >> submitted to CRIP?" > >> > > I think some of the answer may be found in > > > > https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- > proposal-team > > > > and on > > > > > > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- > rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > > > It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only > staff > will be involved. > > > > I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that > the meetings will be open. > > > > > > -- > > Hans Petter Holen > > Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | > > hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net > > > > > > > > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji,Federal University Oye-Ekitiweb: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535**alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng * The key to understanding is humility - my view ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rhill at hill-a.ch Wed Oct 22 10:15:28 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 10:15:28 +0200 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Seun, Thanks for this. To your last point, I agree that there has not been much discussion, but there have been some proposals, see in particular: http://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/cooperation-wg/2014-September/000575.html Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com] Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 10:10 To: Richard Hill Cc: Chris Buckridge; RIPE Cooperation Working Group Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Richard Hill wrote: Thanks for this. So, to be clear, the proposal is that RIPE NCC will not prepare a specific response to the ICG RFP, rather it will delegate to CRISP the task of preparing a draft response. Same with the AFRINIC region and i think will applies to other RIRs The draft prepared by CRISP will be posted to this mailing list for discussion and comments. Is that correct? This is also how i understood it. However i would expect that mailing list to be the NRO list which is more global. Although noting prevents cross-posting. If yes, then I would propose that RIPE NCC request CRISP to take into account, when preparing the draft response, all the comments that have been posted to date to this mailing list. Well if you ask me i did say that no major specific discussion/proposal has really happened ;) also it can be unrealistic to task a team yet to be formed to look at previous comments. While they may do that, i think when the team get formed, the 2 RIPE members should find a way of collecting comments from its region as same will be done in other regions as well. Cheers! Thanks and best, Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Buckridge [mailto:chrisb at ripe.net] > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 09:40 > To: rhill at hill-a.ch > Cc: Hans Petter Holen; cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > > Dear Richard, all, > > Attempting a more specific answer to that question: > > According to the existing proposal [which should not be regarded > as final], the RIPE community will not prepare a specific > response to the Request for Proposals (RFP) produced by the IANA > Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG). > > [The RFP text is available at: > https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/rfp-iana-stewardship-0 > 8sep14-en.pdf] > > The current "draft proposal" takes the approach of a higher-level > RIPE community position, specifying the mechanism that the > community wishes to see replace the existing NTIA agreement. The > current APNIC community draft proposal is based on a similar approach. > > To avoid confusion, it may make more sense to refer to this > document as a draft set of principles, but it is anticipated that > this text will be the output of the RIPE community discussion. > > The ICG RFP lays out a very specific template for the proposals > that the ICG expects to receive, and the CRISP team can be > expected to produce a proposal based on this template. There is > no requirement that the individual RIR communities use this > template, and consolidating five lengthy, detailed proposals (as > the RFP template would produce) may pose more of a challenge for > the CRISP team than drawing together five expressions of > priorities and preferred mechanisms to develop a single proposal, > based on the RFP template. > > As always, all of the assumptions here are open for discussion in > this working group. > > Best regards, > Chris > > > On 22 Oct 2014, at 16:31, Richard Hill wrote: > > > Dear Hans Petter, > > > > Thank you for this, it is helpful. > > > > But the links you provide refer to the NRO process, whereas my > question was specifically about the RIPE NCC process. That is, > what process will RIPE NCC use to prepare its input to CRISP. > > > > Thanks again and best, > > Richard > > -----Original Message----- > > From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen > Sent: mercredi, 22. octobre 2014 01:42 > To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [cooperation-wg] Request for clarification of the process > > On 20.10.14 21:37, Richard Hill wrote: >> So my question is actually "What process will be used by RIPE to prepare a >> response to the ICG's RFP? Will that response be drafted by the RIPE NCC >> staff? And will it be posted to this list for comment before it is >> submitted to CRIP?" >> > I think some of the answer may be found in > https://www.nro.net/news/iana-stewardship-consolidated-rir-iana-stewardship- proposal-team > > and on > > https://www.nro.net/nro-and-internet-governance/iana-oversight/consolidated- rir-iana-stewardship-proposal-team-crisp-team > > It does say community members and staff - so I do not read that only staff will be involved. > > I also read that the work will be done on a public mailing-list and that the meetings will be open. > > > -- > Hans Petter Holen > Mobile +47 45 06 60 54 | > hph at oslo.net | http://hph.oslo.net > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 alt email: seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng The key to understanding is humility - my view ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The feedback from the ARIN community will be part of the contribution provided by the Number Resource Organization (NRO) to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) in response to their recent "Request for Proposals (RFP) for ?IANA? Stewardship Transition Proposal?. ???" https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-09-03-en We would also like your opinion on number of specific points detailed in a short survey at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IANA_stewardship This survey will be open from 13 October to 20 October 2014, and the results will be made available to the community on 24 October 2014. We have also created a public mailing list (iana-transition at arin.net) to facilitate open community discussion in the region regarding the IANA Stewardship Transition planning process. We encourage you to subscribe and participate in this dialog by visiting http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/iana-transition To learn more about this and other mailing lists hosted by ARIN, visit the Mailing List page: https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/ Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ ARIN-Announce You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Announce Mailing List (ARIN-announce at arin.net). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-announce Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues. From rhill at hill-a.ch Tue Oct 28 10:39:53 2014 From: rhill at hill-a.ch (Richard Hill) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:39:53 +0100 Subject: [cooperation-wg] Fwd: arin-announce IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal Survey and Mailing List In-Reply-To: <544EE813.6010005@oslo.net> Message-ID: The summary of the ARIN survey has been published at: https://www.arin.net/participate/governance/iana_survey.pdf Best, Richard -----Original Message----- From: cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net [mailto:cooperation-wg-bounces at ripe.net]On Behalf Of Hans Petter Holen Sent: mardi, 28. octobre 2014 01:49 To: cooperation-wg at ripe.net Subject: [cooperation-wg] Fwd: arin-announce IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal Survey and Mailing List Hi, This was circulated on the ARIN list earlier this month. It may be of interest to us to know the thoughts of ARIN community members. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [arin-announce] IANA Stewardship Transition Proposal Survey and Mailing List Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 15:38:37 -0400 From: ARIN To: arin-announce at arin.net As a part of the Regional Internet Registry (RIR) system, the ARIN community has been called to contribute to the ongoing global multistakeholder discussion on the IANA Stewardship Transition. The feedback from the ARIN community will be part of the contribution provided by the Number Resource Organization (NRO) to the IANA Stewardship Transition Coordination Group (ICG) in response to their recent ?Request for Proposals (RFP) for ?IANA? Stewardship Transition Proposal?. ???? https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-3-2014-09-03-en We would also like your opinion on number of specific points detailed in a short survey at: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/IANA_stewardship This survey will be open from 13 October to 20 October 2014, and the results will be made available to the community on 24 October 2014. We have also created a public mailing list (iana-transition at arin.net) to facilitate open community discussion in the region regarding the IANA Stewardship Transition planning process. We encourage you to subscribe and participate in this dialog by visiting http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/iana-transition To learn more about this and other mailing lists hosted by ARIN, visit the Mailing List page: https://www.arin.net/participate/mailing_lists/ Regards, John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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