<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>From: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Alain Van Gaever <<a href="mailto:avangaev@gmail.com">avangaev@gmail.com</a>><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>[cooperation-wg] Debriefing of meeting with Members of the European Parliament on 11/11/13</b><br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">12 November, 2013 09:43:40 CET<br></span></div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px;"><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>To: </b></span><span style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><a href="mailto:cooperation-wg@ripe.net">cooperation-wg@ripe.net</a><br></span></div><br><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr"><div>Yesterday, on the 11<sup>th</sup> of November we went to the
European Parliament to discuss the proposed Single Market Regulation<font> (<span style="font-family:'Menlo Regular';font-size:15px">COM(2013) 627 final )</span></font><span style="color:rgb(16,73,188);font-family:'Menlo Regular';font-size:15px"> </span>and meet with 2 Members of the European Parliament, namely:</div>
<div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><ul><li><span>Pilar Del Castillo and</span><span style="font-family:Symbol"><span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span><a href="http://www.pilardelcastillo.es/" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">http://www.pilardelcastillo.es</a><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><br>
</li><li><span>Marietje Schaake </span><a href="http://www.marietjeschaake.eu/" target="_blank" style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">http://www.marietjeschaake.eu</a><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> </span><br>
</li></ul><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span><br></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">Present from our side:</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Wouter van Hulten,<span> </span><a href="mailto:wouter@vanhulten.com" target="_blank">wouter@vanhulten.com</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Alain Van Gaever, <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">co-chair-elect RIPE Cooperation WG,</span> <a href="mailto:avangaev@gmail.com" target="_blank">avangaev@gmail.com</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Bastiaan Goslings,<span> </span><a href="mailto:bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net" target="_blank">bastiaan.goslings@ams-ix.net</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Gordon Lennox<span> </span><a href="mailto:gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com" target="_blank">gordon.lennox.13@gmail.com</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Joy Marino, chair Milan Internet Exchange<span> </span><a href="mailto:j.marino@mix-it.net" target="_blank">j.marino@mix-it.net</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Nina Bargisen,<span> </span><a href="mailto:nihb@netflix.com" target="_blank">nihb@netflix.com</a> </p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Symbol">�<span style="font-size:7pt;font-family:'Times New Roman'"> </span></span>Innocenzo Gemma, <a href="mailto:inno@innogenna.it" target="_blank">inno@innogenna.it</a><span> </span>(observer)</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:47.25pt"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">On the agenda: the following items related to the Single
Market Regulation were discussed</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt"></p><ul><li>Assured
Service Quality (ASQ) � proposal<br></li><li>Net
Neutrality<br></li><li>Depeering practices<br></li><li>Engagement
with the community of IP experts<br></li></ul><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt"></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt"></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 36pt"></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Calibri">(Link to the draft Regulation: </font><a href="http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/regulation-european-parliament-and-council-laying-down-measures-concerning-european-single">http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/news/regulation-european-parliament-and-council-laying-down-measures-concerning-european-single</a><span style="font-family:Calibri"> ) Most relevant Articles: Art.19, Art.23, Art.24</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br></p><p class="MsoNormal">Short debriefing of the meeting:</p><ol><li><span>ASQ:
we expressed our concerns that the introduction of the Assured Service Quality is
a �solution in search of a problem�. That it is not needed. And that this ASQ-proposal
would be harmful to the evolution and innovative power of the Internet. </span>MEP Del Castillo informed us that the
ASQ-related articles would be removed in the draft she would send for translation next Thursday.</li><li>N<span>et
Neutrality: we expressed our concerns that given the importance of this topic
it should not be rushed through. </span><span> </span><span>While a
consensus could not be achieved (given the difficulty of the topic and the
short time frame available this is hardly surprising) MEP Del Castillo seemed
to suggest that she would strengthen the �non discriminatory � principle in the
Regulations.</span></li><li><span>De-peering:
The importance of peering and the European model of IXPs was highlighted.</span><span> </span><span>Concerns were expressed regarding the situation
in Italy where Telecom Italia is de-peering.</span><span>
</span><span>It was noted that �de-peering� is an issue which is more relevant in other legislative/regulatory instruments and is not part of the proposed Single Market Regulation (relevant instruments are: Review of Relevant markets, DG Comp
investigations). </span><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px"><font color="#1049bc"> </font><font>We explained that the European model of peering is currently being copied in the US, under the Open-IX initiative. MEP Del Castillo mentioned she would highlight this issue with her colleague MEP Trautmann. Further information would be welcomed.</font></span></font></li>
<li><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14px">We stressed the importance of engaging with the EU institutions, including of course the European Parliament, and our collective willingness to do so. It is important that the Internet community is heard when proposed regulation, which affects the functioning of the Internet, is being developed and discussed.</span></li>
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</font></span></ol><span class=""><font color="#888888"><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></font></span></div><span class=""><div style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Next Steps: </span><br>
</div><div><div><ol><li><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">MEP Del Castillo�s text will go to translation this Thursday 14 November. Suggestions are still welcome. If you will submit feedback, please ensure you provide them in the form of proposed modifications to the current text, and with a justification why this change is needed. For those who want to engage individually, the MEP contact details can be found here: </span><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/96945/MARIETJE_SCHAAKE_home.html">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/96945/MARIETJE_SCHAAKE_home.html</a> and <a href="http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/28390/PILAR_DEL+CASTILLO+VERA_home.html">http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/28390/PILAR_DEL+CASTILLO+VERA_home.html</a></span></li>
</ol></div><div><font face="Calibri, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">Moving forward / Recommendations</span></font></div><div><ol><li><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">This time we were faced with particularly short time-frames between proposed legislation �leaving� the Commission and then being debated in Council and Parliament. It is however also more difficult in general correcting many things once they have been drafted and agreed by the Commission. We should therefore try and engage sooner in the legislative process. This means ideally before any legislation is actually proposed (i.e. talking directly to the European Commission). It is believed that Commission officials would welcome views from the Internet community. We should therefore start to establish a list of interlocutors and contacts so we could provide appropriate expertise. We should also seek to establish a view on what the Commission is going to do - in terms of their own forward planning.</span><br>
</li><li><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">F</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; ">eedback and comment on any and all of this is most welcome on the list mailto</span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">:</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'normal arial',sans-serif;line-height:20px">cooperation-wg</span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:'normal arial',sans-serif;line-height:20px">@<a href="http://ripe.net/">ripe.net</a></span></li>
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