Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?
From: peter h peter@localhost
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:50:24 +0200
On Tuesday 03 April 2007 22.25, Esa wrote:
> Jørgen Hovland kirjoitti:
> > Blacklisting the provider of the offender just because they are practising
> > what the government(s) is telling them to do is to me considered extremely
> > unprofessional and I would never do business with anyone doing that.
I disagree. Blacklisting a sleazy ISP is a way of tellking them
that you don't accept their "let-go" attitude.
> I have never seen that a government tells companies to allow unsolicited
> bulk e-mailing. Of course laws restrict what you can put in the
> contract, but contracts between companies are much more unregulated than
> those between a company and a person, this at least in Finland.
> I would be really surprised if you cannot put a prohibition to ube in
> the contract.
Serious ISP has this. In fact, it has been part of "Netiquette" since the 90's
> I don't think blocklist providers should consider at all if the law
> allows spamming or not. They should follow their own defined listing
> criteria. The blocklist users decide what they want to do with the
A blocklist expresses only an opinion. A mail-operator on the
other hand is free to accept or refuse mail on _any_ ground including
opinions from blocklists.
> > I
> > wouldn't be surprised if a blacklist provider with that kind of policy some
> > day would be prosecuted because it is pretty darn close to three types of
> > extortion.
> But they have, already. See for example Media3 and MAPS (circa year
> 2000), or yesmail vs MAPS, or Harris Interactive vs. MAPS, or Experian,
> or Exactis.
> Other blocklists have been sued as well, latest I've heard was Spamhaus
> vs. e360insight.
Spamhaus is still unaffected. Like other cases, spammers usually
get the short stick.
There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it
again ... and again ... and again ... and again.
( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )