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Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?

  • From: oca@localhost
  • Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 10:06:00 +0200
  • Reply-to: oca@localhost

Blocking the ISP, in one or another way, is ofcourse a way to deal with spam from a given ISP ...

But this is only a short-term ( selfish ) solution and dosn't solve the root for my frustrations - namely that the ISP and the RIR dosn't seem willing to cooperate...

Besides this - technically - blocking isn't possible for me ... I'm sitting behind a mail relay belonging to my ISP..

Anyway - I appreciate that I'm not the only one feeling p... off by this matter.

I do believe that only if every responsible organisation on the net cooperate on hacking, spam and other abuse issues - we will be able to do anything about - otherwise ....


----- Original Message ----- From: "peter h" peter@localhost
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?

On Monday 02 April 2007 08.50, oca@localhost wrote:
Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?

When I receive a spam mail, I normally send a spam repport to the "abuse
mail account" of the ISP being responsible for the IP address using the
whois databases of the RIR's.

Normally this works very fine ... or rather ... I'm often able to deliver
the repport somewhere without any problems.

But in some cases the given account dosn't exist or is hidden behind a

In these cases I have tried to contact the RIR of the ISP but with very
different outcome ...

Some RIR's consider this as a problem they can deal with and some dosn't !!!

Last week I received a third spam mail from an ip address belonging to

According to the whois of arin, and to the homepage of the ISP, I should
repport abuse to abuse@localhost...

This I have tried several times getting an "unable to deliver" repport every
time ...

Trying to raise this as an issue for ARIN gives this repply:

> ARIN is an IP registry whose primary function is the registration and
> distribution of IP number resources (IP addresses and Autonomous System
> Numbers) in North America.
> IP number resource registration information can be found in the
> public ARIN WHOIS database found at:
> Please understand that ARIN does not operate any of the networks > contained
> in the WHOIS database nor is ARIN responsible for supplying and
> maintaining the registration data in the WHOIS database.  That
> responsibility lies soley with the registrant of the data.

How do we fight spam, and other kind of abuse, as long as some of the ISP's
and the RIR's has this kind of attitudes ?


The solution is - block them. Either subscribe on a blocklist that fills the
need or block the offending ISP's yourself. IP ranges is easily
available by "whois"

The downside is that _if_ someone is within that ISP's net they are
not able to mail you, but a proper "bounce-message" ( "Use gmail or any other
serious mailprovider" ) or punch a hole in you block when needed.

The only real pressure that can be applied to unserious ISP is to
threat their income. Make their customers complain and eventually
abandom them.

       Peter Håkanson

       There's never money to do it right, but always money to do it
       again ... and again ... and again ... and again.
       ( Det är billigare att göra rätt. Det är dyrt att laga fel. )