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Re: Opt-out ? we do know the "bounce" command...

  • To: Sabri Berisha < >
  • From: Jan Meijer < >
  • Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 14:42:51 +0200
  • Cc: Gunnar Lindberg < >
  • Organization: SURFnet bv

Sabri Berisha wrote:

On Wed, 18 Jul 2001, Gunnar Lindberg wrote:

My point is that Governments may not listen to us anyway, but if
we behave like 5 year old kids there is 100% gaurantee they won't.

We are the techies; we are in charge. If some arrogant parliament thinks
they can legalize theft of service they will get to see what that theft of
service means.

Which would not help the cause 'send spammers into the sun', as there are laws against theft of service. Good guys turning bad and into jail are not what the remaining good guys can use.

There appear to be different directions with which you can address spam to the EU parlement.

-spam as theft of service
-spam as abuse of privacy

They are governed by different European directives (as far as I know there is currently no European directive on cybercrime, only national legislation), that are probably under the responsibility of different parts of the EU.

It might even be sensible to pursue both directions. After all, one of the major contributers to the spam problem is the *ability* for spammers to steal service anonymously. Get spammers out in the open will contribute to solving the problem, as you can then identify them and use the privacy directive on them.

If there were legal or financial consequences to a provider (be it a regular ISP organization or the individual with his cable account not knowing what he is doing) to running a bad mail-installation (bad is defined as what is BCP), we, the people actually suffering, could decide to do something about it.

Theft of service is not the answer, denial of service to spammers might be.


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