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Re: Administrative Overheads Arising from UCE

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  • From: Gunnar Lindberg < >
  • Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:04:48 +0100 (MET)

Whether or not people take me seriously is uninteresting; however one
could hope for the content/message being slightly more important...

I didn't check MAPS/RBL or ORBS mostly because I don't beleive in
such centralized monsters but also because I feel they would hardly
be up to date and people would not make use of them anyway - if it's
impossible for a university to stop Mail Relay by 10 lines of .cf
code, why should one expect them to add tons of such code to go ask
MAPS/RBL or ORBS and do so for each message???

However, I've now spent some time with MAPS/RBL to look for spam hosts
and Mail Relays (some apologies to the folks that get exposed; if you
find yourself - or your friends - here go fix that Mail Relay).

Spam host                       IP                MAPS/RBL       Nope

Spam ISP's MX host              IP                MAPS/RBL              Nope               Nope              Nope               Nope

Relay Name                      IP                MAPS/RBL
pc91w0.WiSo.Uni-Augsburg.DE      Nope       Nope      Nope      Nope             Nope           Nope              Nope                  Nope           Nope              Nope     Nope            Nope                 Nope              Nope             Nope               Nope             Nope                Nope         Nope

This is a fairly complete list of Relay Hosts that showed up in mail
from people complaining - there is likeley to be more, both where
noone has complained or where the complaint didn't include Received.

I doubt MAPS/RBL or ORBS would have saved us.


>From owner-anti-spam-wg@localhost  Tue Feb 16 10:47:40 1999
>Message-Id: <UTC199902160946.KAA07707.piet@localhost>
>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:46:50 +0100
>From: Piet Beertema <Piet.Beertema@localhost

> ...
>    If I write a note on a pice of paper, sign it "Bill Gates, Microsoft"
>    and put it on a billboard, that clearly must be illegal some way(?).
>You wouldn't be taken serious either. :-)

>    PS
>        In the aftermath, I've gone through who was Mail Relay for this
>        bastard. Several are in Europe and most of them are in the "naive"
>        category. There are, however and to my great disapointment, some
>        fairly large and well known European ISPs - probably even active
>        RIPE members - that accepted to be Mail Relay for *
>        No response from them yet.
>Did you check all the relays involved against RBL and ORBS?

>	Piet

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