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Re: RIPE32 Anti-spam WG minutes (draft 1.1)

  • To: Swa Frantzen < >
  • From: Piet Beertema < >
  • Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:04:51 +0100

    	1) I don't want UCE in general, except when it's about
    	   "cars". That's why I suggested to allow or require
    	   keywords in an X-UCE header line.
    Why don't you sibscribe to a announcement mailing list
    about cars in that case ? Or visit their web page.
Can we please stop starting the same discussion
and arguments over and over again? I've argued
before that there are cases where people *are*
interested in UCE.

    	2) I'm on a mailing list through which I receive info
    	   of interest for my organisation. With permission
    	   from the list owner, but without my knowledge or
    Don't think many list owners ever allow this.
    If they do, they are probably into strange things themselves.
Such mailing lists do exist and *are* useful.
    	Therefore I'd suggest:
    	 "Member States shall lay down in their legislation that
    	  unsolicited commercial communication by electronic mail
    	  is forbidden, unless the recipient has given implicit
    	  or explicit permission to receive such communication,
    	  in general, specified, or from (a) certain sender(s)".
    The real spammers will see that (esp. after its been mutilated
    by the EU and the member states) as a license to spam.
    A strict ban on UCE and ALSO on UBE is the only alternative
    we have to keep the Internet and esp. E-mail livable in the 
    near future.
Some spammers will grab legal opportunities.
Other spammers won't give a damn about laws and will
(therefore) hide their identity and cover their tracks.
    From the ISP point of view spam is theft. Nothing more, nothing
    less, no nuances are needed. And what hurts all the ISPs, will
    hurt the customer ...
Consumers/customers want options, not dictates.


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