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Re: has been listed by ORBS

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  • From: Esa Laitinen < >
  • Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 10:35:14 +0300
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On Wed, 9 Sep 1998, Corneliu Tanasa wrote:

> So I repeat my question, why don't they do something against the big
> ISPs that are allowing SPAM ?  Just because they are too big ?  I think
> that half of the SPAM that is filtered by my servers is originated on
> their sites (do I have to repeat such names ?).

It has been discussed that people responsible for MAPS might be on the 
take from, 'cause they haven't blocked them out. ORBS, OTOH, is 
based on technical things, ie. if doesn't have open relays there 
is no case to block them (since blocking happens because of having open 

> all the spammers ?  However, I don't like liers, and they are saying
> that someone "reported" spam from certain smtp servers..., but we all
> know that it is an automated tool (used also by spammers) that is
> probing for relays.

I don't know for sure (dorkslayers www site is unavailable at the 
moment), but previously they did tell in their web site that they do some 
pre-emptive scanning as well.

Are you saying that you don't like the fact that somebody is telling you 
that you have a problem? You remind me of a big Finnish company which had 
both open news and smtp server. I told them of the problem, reminded them 
after 2 weeks and 2 weeks after that contacted their IT vice president. 
They black listed me! Kind of a dim view into the matter: you shoot the 
carrier of the bad news. Well, I have business dealings with them so I 
didn't stay black-listed for long.

I agree that pre-emptive scanning is somewhat 
controversial, but I've done one scan of 8000 addresses and found 400 open 
relays. This is scary. I think it is better somebody tells you you have a 
problem than having your server crash during the weekend because somebody 
didn't tell you but went ahead and did a relay-rape.

Esa Laitinen  	             If I cannot reply to your news or mail
                             message with reply, you won't get my answer.          Why try to hide away from spam, why not fight   it?

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