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Re: Anti-spam Working Group

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  • From: Gunnar Lindberg < >
  • Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:20:09 +0200 (MET DST)

My apologies for spamming this list with several mail today...

John, do you mis-interpret what I say by will or what? If there was
any message at all, it was that someone needs to spread the info to
the huge amount of don't-know-what-I'm-up-to sysadmins. Some of them
even seem to run a minor ISP/dialup/web-hotel/etc.

By "someone" I mean the organizations or persons that make money out
of the Internet, if there is money made; i.e. ISPs - you know, those
who actually connect sites to the Internet and charge for it... If
necessary, apply my suggestion recursively upstreams.


    Then some of these don't-know-what-I'm-up-to sysadmins happen to
    use Sun and for those there are at least two options: 1) get
    sendmail-8 source 2) twist Sun's arms to get better binaries.
    Again, assuming they know beans about the problem in question.
    Which they don't.

    I've come across a Sun employee that I have reason to believe
    knows something about their sendmail and a few minutes ago I've
    sent him the suggestions a) turn of Mail Relay b) make sure
    Received: lines are useful and not just contain "the other guy
    said 'HELO default' to me". My 0.001 ECU worth is that a) will
    not happen since that will make Sun system installation more
    complicated, but maybe b) will.

>Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:48:31 +0200
>From: John Martin martin@localhost
>Message-Id: <v03110711b212b559ad18@[]>
>To: Gunnar Lindberg lindberg@localhost, anti-spam-wg@localhost
>Subject: Re: Anti-spam Working Group

>At 8:48 am +0200 2/9/98, Gunnar Lindberg wrote:
>>It seems like an increasing number of spam Mail Relay now uses hosts
>>in Spain (.es), most often Sun with native/naive sendmail. Using RIPE
>>whois-info doesn't seem to get through, at least there is no response.

>My suggestion would be to send to Sun-related fora rather than spam-related
>ones. In particular, I would suggest a message to the (in)famous Sun
>Managers list: sun-managers@localhost. This list has
>literally thousands of sun managers on it and is very busy and highly

>NB: Be sure to start the "Subject:" field with "SUMMARY: " or you will be
>filtered out by most subscribers.

>Perhaps we can also develop an FAQ-style question / answer to go in Casper
>Dik's widely-referenced FAQ.

>I gues this brings up the wider issue we discussed in January; that of
>contacting the vendors rather than the users...

>Now... any volunteers ;-)


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