[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE NCC Anti-Abuse Training: Next Steps & WG Input!

Hi,

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 07:20:48PM +0100, Tobias Knecht via anti-abuse-wg wrote:
> I disagree with the idea of defining what abuse is for 3 reasons.

I do understand your arguments, but I'm not agreeing with the conclusion.

If we can't agree on "this is abuse" and "that is not", how can we ever
agree on "we should do something against abuse!"?

More extreme wording: why would I, as an ISP, need an abuse handling
department if I can just declare "ah, no, this is all normal customer
activity" instead?

So, yes, defining abuse is very hard - but if we ever want to reach
a good level of common abuse squashing, we should find a common
understanding.  Like "using other people's resources (bandwidth,
money, time) without at least implicit permission, for personal gain".

(I, for one, consider half the web sites out there abusive, with
cookie banners, insanely big graphics, and weird scrolling stuff - but
I guess most web developers would not agree to that)

Gert Doering
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