[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion
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Cynthia Revström
me at cynthia.re
Tue Feb 23 11:46:16 CET 2021
Hi Tobias, I am very sorry, I messed up and I really shouldn't have come to the conclusion of it for sure being marketing that quickly. I will remember this for any potential future similar scenarios to not repeat it. -Cynthia On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:19 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote: > Cynthia, > > If you got the impression of me trying to sell you something, I apologize. > > My intention was to help you answer your genuine question and give you my > experience on how dozens of Abuse Desk Operators handle this day in, day > out. > Those real-world best practices differ fundamentally from what some > Security Researchers and some Anti Abuse Advocates would love to see > implemented real-world best practices. > > Once again, if this was hitting the wrong buttons I apologize, this was > not my intention. > > Thanks, > > Tobias > > -- > > > Tobias Knecht > > Founder & CEO > > > > T. > > +49 170 455 98 45 > > abusix.com > <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCaPgfev0DqYl37D4m9Ee4vsbDzR0i3-_vR79jccowDesvdhqrvzXzi6k_yA1omSOmnzd-c_2CqBfYJjJFgV9BQOpBRSRjC8wMv-fT3nwGx3tkMlHQ6jWt4ciVIkA_II6> > > Book a meeting > <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWvzSzogpcTfxgYqITma2NzHMq5pXRQAYjPHEkBYpwTr5FBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> > > > > [image: My Logo] > > > > > <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWkBl_vB1ZA4WrZhHQQ6slR_5b_FnETHpRTKihQLpXLRkFBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> > > > <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWuwTIYoZ5mdTWmhqltOyd8WxVKbCGLLoqGos1EesYhP7> > > > <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWmVS4sTjl1cJ51NN-gNCB_rcu1jgPRgfsr52W-kkb52KhFdCjGAFnnZN_nkWEHAE7w==> > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY This email and any attachments are confidential and may > also be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not > the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not > disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store > or copy the information in any medium. > > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:10 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> (intro) >> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his >> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I >> said on a mailing list. >> >> (mainly towards Tobias) >> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me >> services is bad enough. >> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as >> a selling point is much worse. >> >> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working >> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all. >> >> also this: >> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >> >> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but yeah >> it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because it is >> bad. >> >> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs) >> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if >> they abuse their position to sell their services. >> >> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but >> idk why this would be the first time. >> >> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me >> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying >> I am not interested). >> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the >> db-wg. >> >> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it >> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair, >> it didn't appear like it was a sales email. >> >> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be >> held private. >> >> -Cynthia >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello Cynthia, >>> >>> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and >>> also Founder and CEO of Abusix. >>> >>> >>> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >>> >>> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size >>> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on. >>> >>> Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you >>> about how our clients handle those things. >>> >>> Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar: >>> https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min >>> >>> Thanks and stay safe. >>> >>> Tobias >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Tobias Knecht >>> >>> Founder & CEO >>> >>> >>> >>> T. >>> >>> +49 170 455 98 45 >>> >>> abusix.com >>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMTCaPgfev0DqYl37D4m9Ee4vsbDzR0i3-_vR79jccowDesvdhqrvzXzi6k_yA1omSOmnzd-c_2CqBfYJjJFgV9BQOpBRSRjC8wMv-fT3nwGx3tkMlHQ6jWt4ciVIkA_II6> >>> >>> Book a meeting >>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWvzSzogpcTfxgYqITma2NzHMq5pXRQAYjPHEkBYpwTr5FBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: My Logo] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWkBl_vB1ZA4WrZhHQQ6slR_5b_FnETHpRTKihQLpXLRkFBNOY9SMkZqJWdDoUo-I_A==> >>> >>> >>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWuwTIYoZ5mdTWmhqltOyd8WxVKbCGLLoqGos1EesYhP7> >>> >>> >>> <https://cloud.letsignit.com/collect/bc/5fc946660b5c6b0008d672f1?p=3QW9LKZRNsNLctpv2M4xw66qtjrDbFHkRfe_Jo_T8nIlQuwLC6zZ9OH0kt1uknMT9SwLHL8nP_FvGHuL1dmuWmVS4sTjl1cJ51NN-gNCB_rcu1jgPRgfsr52W-kkb52KhFdCjGAFnnZN_nkWEHAE7w==> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> CONFIDENTIALITY This email and any attachments are confidential and may >>> also be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure. 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