[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion

Tobias,

Could you please clarify what the intent was of this email? I should
probably have started by asking this but to me it seems so much like
marketing.

-Cynthia


On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:23 PM Cynthia Revström <me at cynthia.re> wrote:

> It is possible but I highly doubt it.
>
> > We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size
> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
>
> That sounds so much like marketing and irrelevant if it wasn't.
> Also if it wasn't marketing, why would he ask for me to schedule a video
> call?
>
> Once again I could be wrong, and if I am, I am sorry, but I can't see how
> this isn't marketing.
>
> -Cynthia
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:18 PM Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you totally misread his mail. It reads to me as a proposal to
>> help you understand the processes used by many providers, not as a sales
>> pitch.
>>
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>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:12 PM Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg <
>> anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> (intro)
>>> Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his
>>> position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I
>>> said on a mailing list.
>>>
>>> (mainly towards Tobias)
>>> Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me
>>> services is bad enough.
>>> To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as
>>> a selling point is much worse.
>>>
>>> I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working
>>> group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all.
>>>
>>> also this:
>>> > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
>>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>>>
>>> I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but
>>> yeah it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because
>>> it is bad.
>>>
>>> (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs)
>>> A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if
>>> they abuse their position to sell their services.
>>>
>>> I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but
>>> idk why this would be the first time.
>>>
>>> I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me
>>> services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying
>>> I am not interested).
>>> But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the
>>> db-wg.
>>>
>>> Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it
>>> was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair,
>>> it didn't appear like it was a sales email.
>>>
>>> I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be
>>> held private.
>>>
>>> -Cynthia
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello Cynthia,
>>>>
>>>> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and
>>>> also Founder and CEO of Abusix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list,
>>>> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly.
>>>>
>>>> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size
>>>> and any type of product. From Cloud to DC-Services, Cable, and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Happy to jump on a call and answer the questions you have and tell you
>>>> about how our clients handle those things.
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to reach out via email or just pick a time in my calendar:
>>>> https://calendly.com/tobias-knecht/30min
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and stay safe.
>>>>
>>>> Tobias
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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