[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE AA-WG discussion
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Volker Greimann
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Mon Feb 22 18:18:22 CET 2021
I think you totally misread his mail. It reads to me as a proposal to help you understand the processes used by many providers, not as a sales pitch. Best, -- Volker A. Greimann General Counsel and Policy Manager *KEY-SYSTEMS GMBH* T: +49 6894 9396901 M: +49 6894 9396851 F: +49 6894 9396851 W: www.key-systems.net Key-Systems GmbH is a company registered at the local court of Saarbruecken, Germany with the registration no. HR B 18835 CEO: Oliver Fries and Robert Birkner Part of the CentralNic Group PLC (LON: CNIC) a company registered in England and Wales with company number 8576358. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended only for the person(s) directly addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, transmission, distribution, or other forms of dissemination is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email with any files that may be attached. On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 6:12 PM Cynthia Revström via anti-abuse-wg < anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote: > Hi, > > (intro) > Tobias Knecht sent me an email (which this is a reply to) abusing his > position as co-chair in order to try to sell me services based on what I > said on a mailing list. > > (mainly towards Tobias) > Replying to me based on a mailing list post in order to try to sell me > services is bad enough. > To do it as a co-chair and then to use the fact that you are co-chair as a > selling point is much worse. > > I find this utterly appalling behaviour from a co-chair of a working > group, I didn't reach out to you, you weren't even in the thread at all. > > also this: > > As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, > that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. > > I mean that is sort of the point of co-chairs generally speaking but yeah > it is going to look bad if you are trying to sell something, because it is > bad. > > (mainly towards chair team and aa-wg chairs) > A co-chair of a working group should absolutely be warned or removed if > they abuse their position to sell their services. > > I also somehow doubt that this is the first time, I could be wrong, but > idk why this would be the first time. > > I hate it when for example Cogent sends me emails trying to sell me > services despite me never having contacted them (outside of replying saying > I am not interested). > But this is more like if the Cogent sales people were co-chairs of the > db-wg. > > Also with a subject like "RIPE AA-WG discussion" I initially thought it > was actually about something I said or whatever, in his role as co-chair, > it didn't appear like it was a sales email. > > I have also CC'd the aa-wg and ripe list as this is too appalling to be > held private. > > -Cynthia > > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 5:50 PM Tobias Knecht <tk at abusix.com> wrote: > >> Hello Cynthia, >> >> my name is Tobias. I'm a Co-Chair of the Anti-Abuse Working Group and >> also Founder and CEO of Abusix. >> >> >> As a Co-Chair I didn't want to jump into the mix on the mailing list, >> that's why I'm reaching out to you directly. >> >> We at Abusix run Abuse Desk for dozens of Service Providers of any size >> and any type of product. 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