[anti-abuse-wg] IPv4 squatting -- Courtesy of AS44050, AS58552
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IP Abuse Research
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Wed Dec 2 14:54:56 CET 2020
I'd like to second Serge's sentiment, RFG catches a good deal of abuse for his contributions, which we have all seen on this and other lists. What the continued findings indicate is a need for IANA and the RIRs to adapt to a new stage in the resource issuance and governance lifecycle. Since this is by definition a working group, would it make sense to establish some metrics to quantify the perceived impact of this phenomenon on abuse? If we establish a process to collect these observations of either "abandoned" resources, prefixes or ASNs, which then re-appear mysteriously or in the case of an ASN start routing space that is unexpectedly, "hijack", we can take a step as a community to quantify the phenomenon? Note: This is specifically not an internet policing function as much as a neighborhood watch effort to help inform the governing bodies / policy ... etc. Right now from responses it seems like defacto this weight has been put onto the shoulder of Spamhaus vs. having a working group work on a solution. If this is of interest I'm happy to write up a proposal and or work with the chairs to see if this is something that is seen as constructive. Also if this doesn't fit into the anti-abuse working group ... where does it fit? On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 3:12 AM Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg < anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote: > First of: Congrats and thank you Ronald for this work. > > What makes me a bit sad is, that posting this here immediately starts a > discussion about what is expected behavior on these lists, rather than > how we could combat abuse more efficiently. > > It seems a seeminglu, to me at least, humorous remark, sparks more > discussion than the troubling fact that criminals have the time of their > lives during this period of time. > > I'm all in favor of staying civil on public fora. But noting in the > original post was not civil. I am wondering what the we want to achieve > here on the anti-abuse list? Call me stupid, but I just don't get it. > > Best > Serge > > > On 01.12.20 22:48, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > > In message > <DB7PR06MB501791137C12E71EA525C7DD94F40 at DB7PR06MB5017.eurprd06.prod. > > outlook.com>, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote: > > > >> However I suspect that X-posting to a list like apnic-talk may not be > the > >> wisest idea, given the different populations etc... > > > > It is among my fondest hopes that cybercriminals of all stripes, and > > particularly the ones who squat on IPv4 space that doesn't belong to > > them, will, in future, show more respect for regional boundaries, such > > that their devious activities will only oblige me to notify the > > members of a single one of the five RIR regions regarding any single > > one of these elaborate criminal schemes. Alas, in this instance > > however, the perpetrators, in a very unsportsmanlike manner, elected > > to make messes whose roots were found in both the RIPE region and also > > in the APNIC region. (And that's not even to mention that most of the > > squatted IPv4 real estate was and is under the administration of the > > ARIN region.) > > > > Clearly, authorities in all five regions should be devoting somewhat > > more effort towards the cultivation of a better and more respectful > > class of cybercriminals who will confine their convoluted schemes to > > their own home regions. > > > > > > Regards, > > rfg > > > > -- > Dr. Serge Droz > Chair of the FIRST Board of Directors > https://www.first.org > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20201202/0c51c83c/attachment.html>
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