[anti-abuse-wg] IPv4 squatting -- Courtesy of AS44050, AS58552

Folks,

I should be clear here, the Co-Chairs have no objection to the first post, nothing at all.

Personally I'm happy for misbehaviour to be called out, while obviously ensuring that people aren't unfairly tarred with bad brushes.

My comments about the apnic-talk address was that I wasn't sure if that list was used to the kind of content, and I was worried that it might not get Ronald's message where it would it best for it to go. However I'm not sure (without looking it up) what the best reporting mechanisms for APNIC members are. My comments there were advisory, nothing more.

I too would love a discussion where we didn't feel like we had to say a word about the civility of posting, trust me! And thankfully we have had quite a few of those!

Brian
Co-Chair, RIPE AA-WG


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First of: Congrats and thank you Ronald for this work.

What makes me a bit sad is, that posting this here immediately starts a
discussion about what is expected behavior on these lists, rather than
how we could combat abuse more efficiently.

It seems a seeminglu, to me at least, humorous remark, sparks more
discussion than the troubling fact that criminals have the time of their
lives during this period of time.

I'm all in favor of staying civil on public fora. But noting in the
original post was not civil. I am wondering what the we want to achieve
here on the anti-abuse list? Call me stupid, but I just don't get it.

Best
Serge


On 01.12.20 22:48, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:
> In message <DB7PR06MB501791137C12E71EA525C7DD94F40 at DB7PR06MB5017.eurprd06.prod.
> outlook.com>, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote:
>
>> However I suspect that X-posting to a list like apnic-talk may not be the
>> wisest idea, given the different populations etc...
>
> It is among my fondest hopes that cybercriminals of all stripes, and
> particularly the ones who squat on IPv4 space that doesn't belong to
> them, will, in future, show more respect for regional boundaries, such
> that their devious activities will only oblige me to notify the
> members of a single one of the five RIR regions regarding any single
> one of these elaborate criminal schemes.  Alas, in this instance
> however, the perpetrators, in a very unsportsmanlike manner, elected
> to make messes whose roots were found in both the RIPE region and also
> in the APNIC region.  (And that's not even to mention that most of the
> squatted IPv4 real estate was and is under the administration of the
> ARIN region.)
>
> Clearly, authorities in all five regions should be devoting somewhat
> more effort towards the cultivation of a better and more respectful
> class of cybercriminals who will confine their convoluted schemes to
> their own home regions.
>
>
> Regards,
> rfg
>

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