[anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

Hi David

Thanks for the feedback.

- UN GGE:

The 2015 group came up with a consensus report:
https://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/174

The 2017 failed. Personally I think, because the rising tensions in the
global political climate, but that's another discussion. And I feat the
current GGE as well as the OEWG will face the same fate. These are not
good times for international state agreements. I completely agree with
your assessment here.

Re RIPE: I guess so.

But if RIPE is seen as representing the community, than it should be ok
for RIPE to enforce the community view.

It was said here before: If we fail as an informal community here, than
others will take this into their hands, and that will likely no procude
a better result.

Best
Serge



On 19/04/2020 00:07, David Conrad wrote:
> Serge,
> 
> On Apr 17, 2020, at 2:15 AM, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
> <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net <mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>> wrote:
>> Even the UN (through the UN GGE and the OEWG, create norms for
>> responsible behavior in cyber space.
>>
>> There is nothing that stops us from doing the same in this corner of
>> internet policy.
> 
> Perhaps not the best example.  UN "Global Group of Experts” (GGE) tried
> to come up with “cyber norms", but ultimately failed to get their norms
> accepted (that is, they were unable to come to consensus on the final
> report).  As a result, another round of UN
> GGE (https://www.un.org/disarmament/group-of-governmental-experts/)
>  kicked off and a parallel effort, the Open Ended Working Group, is also
> trying to come up with a set of cyber norms, albeit with a larger set of
> players. 
> 
> However, the reason (in my view) the UN cyber norm efforts have failed
> to date is the same reason we see failures to come up with agreed upon
> policies here: the norms would impact self-interest in a way that is
> unacceptable to parties who have the ability to derail progress. 
> 
>> Neutrality does not imply the absence of values. If we want the internet
>> to be usable and safe for users, we need to come up with what is
>> acceptable behavior and what is not. 
> 
> My impression is that the issue that derails consensus here is whether
> or not RIPE-NCC is the appropriate enforcer of “acceptable behavior”.
> 
> Regards,
> -drc
> 

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