[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Pavel Vraštiak
vrastiak at itself.cz
Wed Mar 20 09:27:46 CET 2019
Hi, I agree that this kind of policy should be in place. However, I would like to see some repercussion sooner than in one year. -- Pavel On 20. 03. 19 9:16, Hank Nussbacher wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Carlos Friaças wrote: > >> >> Hi, >> >> To me, 1 year or even two is way better than "infinite". >> (i.e. nothing happens. ever.) > > True. Agreed. > > -Hank > >> >> The current lack of policy in this regard is allowing for >> (intentional) hijackers to remain associated (through the RIPE NCC >> Association) with other members. >> >> Isn't this something we should try to change? >> >> I honestly don't see "speed" as a critical factor, and i also hope >> that if this gets in place more networks will be able to export their >> routing view, so that global routing security improves a bit. >> >> Of course there is RPKI, MANRS and so on, but i do believe something >> should be in place at policy level. >> >> Best Regards, >> Carlos >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 20 Mar 2019, Gert Doering wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 09:06:11AM +0200, Hank Nussbacher wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 19 Mar 2019, Marco Schmidt wrote: >>>>> >>>>> More or less I agree with the proposal. But what happens after a >>>>> LIR is >>>>> found to be violation of the policy? RIPE NCC puts out a statement >>>>> "LIR X >>>>> is in violation of Policy nnnn"? So what? How does this policy >>>>> assist >>>>> stopping the BGP hijack from taking place, even if it takes 1-2 >>>>> months to >>>>> handle the paperwork? >>>> >>>> Well, that's a subtle twist of the proposal not actually spelled out >>>> - a >>>> LIR found to be in violation of RIPE policies is breaking their >>>> contract >>>> with the NCC (the SSA) and as such can be closed and their resources >>>> withdrawn. >>>> >>>> So that's a fairly effective way to sanction abusive behaviour. >>> >>> The amount of time that will transpire from the time of abuse and a >>> LIR closed and their resources withdrawn can well be in excess of a >>> year if not two years. >>> >>> Is that the end result we are looking for? >>> >>> -Hank
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