[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Thu Apr 18 12:35:06 CEST 2019
Hi, On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Richard Clayton wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Richard Clayton wrote: >>> ... I am aware of peer pressure (literally), action by IXPs, action by >>> organisations providing reputation scores and even action by hosting >>> companies. >> >> Yes, i'm aware of that too. Sometimes it fixes specific hijacks, but does >> it stop or in anyway cause a delay for hijackers to hop onto the next >> hijack...??? > > All of examples I gave come from my experience in putting a stop to > various actors hijacking address space. Now it may be that the same > actors have come back and found another completely different hosting > company to carry their hijacks -- but getting them to start again from > scratch has always looked like a win to me. It's also a win in my dictionary. :-))) But didn't you see any cases where the hijacker was the hosting company itself? > In particular there is nothing like being thrown off an IXP for putting > a crimp in your operations. There's real money involved. With my IXP hat on, i can say that removing a member is not something the IXP will do lightly. > I advised you before to give up on getting RIPE to develop a completely > new approach to tackling abuse (especially since it really is not going > all that well) -- and instead to put your effort into getting IXPs to > develop robust policies in this space. After all IXPs and routing are a > far better fit that an RIR and routing. I agree IXPs are important. However the RIRs can be useful at a larger scale... >>> hijacks are reported in numerous places, the NANOG mailing list springs >>> immediately to mind -- and posting there is certainly easy >> >> Yes i'm aware about it, but is that the (globally?) de-facto place for >> raising anyone's attention to an hijack or an hijacker operation? > > it's not ideal from a global perspective, but it is certainly the de- > facto place at the moment Hmmmm. Perhaps we should look at how many hijack reports get there per year... Thanks, Carlos > -- > richard Richard Clayton > > Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary > Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov 1755 >
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