[anti-abuse-wg] 2019-03 New Policy Proposal (BGP Hijacking is a RIPE Policy Violation)
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Carlos Friaças
cfriacas at fccn.pt
Thu Apr 18 09:07:19 CEST 2019
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019, Richard Clayton wrote: > In message <alpine.LRH.2.21.1904171644150.13524 at gauntlet.corp.fccn.pt>, > Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> writes > >> So, the main/only course of action, as i see it today for an hijacked >> party (if the hijacker is from the RIPE region), is sending a complaint to >> a dutch court... and it's doubtful if the dutch court will not rule >> itself to be "unable to rule" on the matter... > > You are entirely incorrect that using the courts is the "main" or "only" > course of action. > > Numerous hijack events have been dealt with down the years. I am not > aware of any instance in which a court got involved in stopping the > hijack from happening ... OK, so if courts are not an option....... > ... I am aware of peer pressure (literally), action by IXPs, action by > organisations providing reputation scores and even action by hosting > companies. Yes, i'm aware of that too. Sometimes it fixes specific hijacks, but does it stop or in anyway cause a delay for hijackers to hop onto the next hijack...??? >> However, yes, there are hijacks originating from the region, and there >> isn't an easy way for anyone to report it, so hijacks (or persistent >> hijackers) are stopped. > > hijacks are reported in numerous places, the NANOG mailing list springs > immediately to mind -- and posting there is certainly easy Yes i'm aware about it, but is that the (globally?) de-facto place for raising anyone's attention to an hijack or an hijacker operation? >> Trying to sum it up in just a line: >> "Persistent and intentional resource hijacking is not tolerated." > > I'm still looking forward to the wording that will deal with the US DoD Won't that fall under "legacy"...? Are we having this discussion under RIPE or under ARIN? :-))) Regards, Carlos > -- > richard Richard Clayton > > Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary > Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin 11 Nov 1755 >
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