[anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse
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andre at ox.co.za
Tue May 29 14:32:24 CEST 2018
Abuse has nothing to do with a domain name. Nobody can abuse anyone armed only with a domain name. Without using an actual IP number, a domain name can do nothing. Protecting the privacy of a domain registrant is absolutely correct. The trouble is that network operators are resistant to accept the responsibility (costs, issues, trouble) of managing abuse Even if you do a whois right now, you will find a functional registrar abuse email address. The same cannot yet be said for the resources assigned by this RR Andre On Tue, 29 May 2018 14:00:44 +0200 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> wrote: > Whois, as everything in the life, has good and bad things. > Against: Privacy invaded. In fact, when you register a new domain and > you associate a visible email to it, in a matter of hours, you get > spam. > Pro: If it is a real email with humans behind, it facilitates the > resolution of abuse cases. > The balance is always difficult ... > Regards, > Jordi > > De: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> en nombre de > Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> Fecha: martes, 29 de mayo > de 2018, 13:49 Para: Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com>, > "anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net" <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> Asunto: Re: > [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse > > > > Even in those cases, whois is but one tool that helps identify bad > actors by means of violating privacy rights of millions. There are > other tools, like DNS traces, reviews of hosting infrastructures > used, etc. all of which will continue to be available for the uses > you refer to. > > And maybe it is time to ensure law enforcement is better equipped to > deal with such issues earlier and faster. Up to now, governments have > been afforded the luxury of being able to underfund such efforts as > others were doing their jobs for them. Maybe this will lead to better > law enforcement and international cooperation. > > Best, > > Volker > > > > Am 29.05.2018 um 13:34 schrieb Suresh Ramasubramanian: > > This unfortunately is entirely wrong and short sighted > > > > All security practitioners protect our respective services and > networks against a wide variety of threats including malware and > phish campaigns. > > > > Very few of those go on to be referred to law enforcement and that > only after an extensive dossier is built internally to show that the > perps in question justify a - frequently cross border - law > enforcement action. > > > > Security and protecting user privacy go hand in hand and I wish more > people realised that, and maybe also realised the resource and > administrative lconstraints and limits law enforcement is saddled > with > > > > > > > > From: anti-abuse-wg <anti-abuse-wg-bounces at ripe.net> on behalf of > Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, > 2018 4:06:18 PM To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] GDPR - positive effects on email abuse > > > > Wow, the level of narrowmindedness and fearmongering is high with > this one. > > Crime online will likely not increase due to GDPR. It may be more > difficult to detect and take action against due to the loss of one > tool amongst many, but ultimately that tool was illegal to begin with > as it violated the rights to privacy of millions of domain owners. > > "Private researchers" and other vigilantes or rent-a-cops will indeed > have a more difficult time to obtain such data as they will finally > have to do so by legal means, but then they are in an untenable > position anyway, taking upon themselves functions that should be > fulfilled by actual law enforcement. > > Ultimately, private data if internet users no longer being public > will lead to better registration data for those with a right to > access it. Those with no such rights will have to figure out > alternate routes to do their jobs that does not violate the rights of > millions. > > Best, > > Volker > > > > Am 28.05.2018 um 21:13 schrieb Ronald F. Guilmette: > > ox <andre at ox.co.za> wrote: > > > >> Firstly I would like to comment that the multinationals and their > >> funded trade groups (and their lobby orgs) shouted from the > >> rooftops that if the GDPR came into effect, Internet in the EU > >> would collapse and there would be digital doom and gloom. > > I am not a multinational. I am an individual volunteer anti-abuse > > researcher. And yet even -I- have told everyone I know that the > > disappearance of public WHOIS is and will be an epic catastrophy. > > If there was cybercrime on the Internet before, it will be > > increased, going forward, by tenfold. > >> How wrong they were (hindsight is perfect - as we can all clearly > >> see) > > Be patient. The change has only just occurred. > > > >> The EU has truly become a world and global leader in the > >> reclamation of individual rights and the free Internet. > > Here on this side of the pond, one usually has to turn on Fox News > > in order to be treated to this level of rubbish. > > > > The only thing that has happened is that private researchers the > > world over have been effectively blinded due to the supreme > > arogance and idiocy of europeans... europeans who, in their > > religious fervor, have come to view it as their holy obligation to > > foist their demented notions onto the rest of the world, whether > > any of the rest of us like it or not. > > > > Meanwhile the malevolent forces of state-sponsored intrigue and > > violation of human rights are and shall remain totally unfettered > > and unaffected by GDPR, as they will be the first ones to obtain > > special exemptions allowing them to continue to see WHOIS data. > > The CIA, NSA, BDN, and FSB are undoubtedly celebrating the arrival > > of GDPR, as it further entrenches their special status at the > > expense of the great unwashes masses. > > > > Friday was a sad day for both transparency and democracy, but all > > across the globe both criminals and statists undoubtedly celebrated > > it with toasts of champaign. > > > > > > Regards, > > rfg > > >
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