[anti-abuse-wg] Fwd: Re: RBL policy
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HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker
svenk at xs4all.nl
Mon Jan 30 13:32:36 CET 2017
customer wants to send packets from ip A to ip b... did they arrive? -> yes. we did our job. no -> we did not do our job. i can't quite see why we would even need to know what 'smtp' is. nor any of the other obscure shit protocols out there. On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:30, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: > > content. is NEVER. network-related-abuse. > > 'making more use of a mail protocol that in every other way is used as > intended' is also not 'network-related-abuse' in fact it's not abuse > at all. it's like tv advertisements. > > 'malware and virusses' all simply exploit the same old services > 'provided' by crappy windows malware, which should get some import > restrictions, and the problem is solved ay. it's windows itself that > is the malware there... > > 'phishing'... so you're saying your bank login procedure sucks balls > and/or you think 16 numbers on the front and 3 top secret ones on the > back of a plastic card people show in every restaurant they go to are > 'security' - go fix your own crap and stop bothering us, we forward > -packets-. we don't have time to hunt ghosts for your broken financial > services. > > 'announcing the whole god damn internet split up into /24s'.. - yes .. > that's 'abuse'. lol. > > and either way... if someone doesn't like what someone else is doing > they can take them to the -appropriate- courts (of the other party) > and try to get them to stop... blackmailing the sales department of > the transit carriers of their supplier of their supplier of their > supplier, will only make them change isps, cause financial loss (or > gains: setup fees), etc. > > so far all spamhaus has ever established is: > > - a whole lot of unroutable/unsellable/unusable ipv4 'burned' ranges. > > - smtp is no longer peer to peer (their bashing on open relays) > > - smtp is no longer real time (graylisting) > > - smtp is no longer reliable (with over 20 million ip addresses listed > despite there only being 300k mailservers in the world, no wonder!) > > so instead of stopping spam, they managed to kill of smtp. > congratulations. > > everyone now uses skype and facebook (which are real-time and do have > friends-lists) lolol. you have succeeded in bringing microsoft and > facebook users to spy on. well done. > > if smtp is 'getting less' that is only because it has no users left. > people only start it up to read ripe mailinglists (lol) or sign up for > habbo hotel. FACT. lol. > > none of our customers has ever sent UCE from our networks... > because... ever since 2004... we have simply blocked port 25... smtp > only causes -shit- and it -delivers shit- (abusemail and 'legal' > threats about shit that is not our problem). we sure as hell have some > customers that cause 'shit' but they usually do it in somewhat more > profitable markets than sending 'spam' and most definately can buy a > tv station or 2 to do their advertisements on. tyvm spamhaus. lol. > > where this 'mytical' spammer that can pay our 1000-1500 euros per > month per server would come from, i don't know, i certainly have never > met any... i tried to invoice one 60k once and he backed off already. > poor spammers. they're like child porn people. can't pay for anything, > so not an urgent issue at all. > > our customers frequently have the entire fucking cia rolling over > their doorstep and if it's not them its the god damn copyright mafia. > slightly different budgetarial picture there. shit that -is- worth the > trouble. > > now, please take your shitty nagging about 'abuse' of your crappy > silly old smtp protocol, which doesn't even -originate- from our > networks in the first fucking place, and stick it where the sun > doesn't shine... as for malware... windows is the malware there... it > facilitates all the programs residing on top of the same old 1990s > badly implemented os/2 ripoff crap. so basically call mickeysoft and > ask them to fix the bugs they all exploit, or call the european > commission and impose trade bans against microsoft. simple enough. > > > On 30 ينا, 2017 م 12:13, HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: >> >> advertising the sale of : viagra, sex slaves, ak47s, porn of any >> kind, human trafficing services, specific animals, cocain, data >> obtained through espionage, encryption technology, vpns, gay >> propaganda, military propaganda, etc is subject to applicable local >> law (if any, and if there is none, it's perfectly fine)... not >> 'spamhaus policies' as spamhaus is not supposed to be 'the internet >> government'. even if they think they should be. >> >> if the uk wants to keep certain products from entering 'their' >> territory (and in doing so limit the freedom of their own >> stakeholders/tax payers) that is up to them others choose not to work >> against their own stakeholders/tax payers that way. they have a >> customs department to keep said products outside. can't tell others >> not to produce or sell or advertise it. setting up dirty front >> operations like 'spamhaus' to lure naive nerds into the illusion that >> they would be 'fighting spam' is a very nasty thing to do. >> geo-political wise and business wise. >> >> now... in thailand porn is illegal... so... let's disconnect all porn >> sites because thailand wants us to, oh but wait, thailand doesn't >> have a 'spamhaus' thinking they rule the entire internet through >> means of blackmail and calling people 'spammers' or 'spam supporters'. >> >> what also works, besides blackmailing with committing computer >> sabotage against the sales department of suppliers of suppliers of >> suppliers of the publisher of a website, are: assassins, commandos, >> carpet bombing, agent orange. etc... all of which should be deployed >> against spamhaus if you ask me. :P but a nullroute would suffice. >> lol. after all bgp is an 'advisory' to 'voluntary peers' and 'we >> don't block anything' as they themselves always say. >> >> >> On 30 ينا, 2017 ص 11:29, Esa Laitinen wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:19 PM HRH Prince Sven Olaf von >>> CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl <mailto:svenk at xs4all.nl>> wrote: >>> >>> also it's quite vague that when some mossadis rent servers and >>> run an espionage botnet on it (which we happily intercept >>> ourselves ofcourse) - spamhaus somehow magically never lists >>> -that-.. just >>> >>> >>> >>> Looking at the amusing rant of Sven Olaf, it seems that the listing >>> works! >>> >>> Keep up the good work, spamhaus et al! >>> >>> esa >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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