[anti-abuse-wg] Norms of discourse on this newsgroup [was: RBL Discussion Update]

Dear Marilson,

Our group converse to engage in exchange of ideas about technical issues in communications.
As technically oriented persons we bring certain expectations to the discussion, for example
clearly delineating issues, following a logical progression of analysis based on evidence,
using words according to their precisely defined meanings, and of course excluding
personalized negative statements and irrelevant issues.  Only by following such rules
can scientifically valid knowledge grow.

Your mode of conversation does not well match these expectations.  For example
you use the word 'fascist' which has a precise meaning in political science apparently
as some generalized condemnation.   It is out of place here even were you to use it
correctly which you don't.    Psychopathy again has a precise definition in its field
which you apparently don't know.   Likewise it has no place in this forum.

Vulgar language has no place in a forum like this as it is rude and offensive
and  so detracts from  the mental calmness and clarity  needed to analyse complex 
technical issues.

Censors perform their proper function by excluding submissions which violate the
norms of discourse.

If you can limit your future contributions to the subject and the expectations of this
group I am sure our colleagues will be happy to have you with us.

If not then you may be more comfortable raising your ideas in different fora
with different expectations and norms.

Jeffrey Race



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From: Marilson
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2017 08:28:27 -0200

According Brian Nisbet the Anti-Abuse WG welcomes a free exchange of ideas and opinions, it does
not welcome PERSONAL abuse OF ANY KIND.
 
I was alerted by a WG member that my comments are not being posted. There are censors deciding what
can be commented. I would not be surprised by fascist attitudes.
 
I see this problem as follows: if you don't want me to make comments, cancel my register. I don't
want to waste my time writing comments in a language I do not master.
If this is not personal abuse what would it be? Fascism? Arrogance? Psychopathy?
 
I usually use generalized swearing against companies and their representatives when my rights are
not respected. WITH EVIDENCE OF ILLICIT ACTS. If this bothers you, do not be hypocrites by saying
ƒ_oI have little or no problem with generalised swearing.ƒ__
 
Marilson
Never so few done so much harm to so many. 
 
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From: Marilson  
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:02 AM 
To: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker  
Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net  
Subject: Re: anti-abuse-wg Digest, Vol 62, Issue 33 


  

 My little chit-chat?!? I have reported with evidence and detailed reports explaining the dirty
economic and financial motives of the criminal use that all these companies, quoted by you, and
hundreds of others, make of their tools, which were developed with a single goal, cheat to increase
profit. The ends justifying the means. The criminal and exacerbated profit at the expense of the
population of the planet. The absolute absence of good ethics and decency practiced by sociopaths
who have the preference to occupy the positions of CEO. HSBC, Volkswagen and Mitsubishi are the
picture of this economy where you should cheat, just try not to get caught. 
  
 And I've been doing this every day for three years. Is your 20k mails in 5 minutes also seen as
spam by the top spammers? Gmail Google, The Godfather, has a habit of returning my complaints of
spam and scams as spam. And whenever it happens I divulge the fact to the main communications
channels and related institutions. I never post a complaint with links enabled, neither in the
detail of the complaint nor in the header or in the text of the pasted message. 
  
 That is it 
 Marilson 
Never so few done so much harm to so many. 
  
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On Jan 31, 2017 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote:
 


  
 just try to use SMTP for something serious, other than your little chit-chat and you'll quickly
see exactly -why- it's dead. oh yeah. your invoice-sending-run of 20k mails in 5 minutes is also
seen as spam by the largest receiving entities: yahoo, hotmail, gmail. despite it not only being
-legal- but legally mandatory to send invoices. lolol 





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On Jan 31, 2017 Marilson wrote:
 


  
 Now we are speaking the same language (with my English). I will not agree with the reasons for
your refusal to cancel contracts because I am a layperson. For me it's something that came from
Alpha Centaur after traveling 26 years at the speed of light. I'm just an architect. But I can
consider it quite probable considering the behavior that repeats itself in such 'entities' as,
Microsoft, Amazon, Google, etc. 
  
 That is not different of the criation of storage tool called S3 or Azure or Google Drive. They
provide the tools for committing crimes, they hide the identity of the criminal, and say they are
not responsible for the acts of your customers. Ionesco, father of the theater of the absurd,
should be moving in the grave. 
  
 They are continuously refining their systems to protect and hide their criminal customers to
increase the internet traffic. That was always the goal, regardless of the harm caused to the
planet's population. They act above the law with the blessing of their government. God save the
laissez faire. 
  
 Silicon Valley corporations no longer know where to store their trillions of dollars. They are
building underground structures to protect themselves. They will probably bury gold and diamonds,
or graphene and antimatter. Just do not know where they will spend if the hecatomb they are
dreading happening. 2017 is a critical year for them. ;) 
  
 Good for them! 
 Marilson 
 Never so few done so much harm to so many. 
  
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On Jan 31, 2017 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: 

 

 you seem to consider broken old buggy code and badly thought out protocols of the past an
'unchangable fact'... to me, cooking up something like smtp, is just a matter of some coffee and a
few hours of typing... 




and that little issue with the oob messages on wintendo could have been solved in less than a
minute. instead microsoft let it continue to go on for many years... (like all their other virus
bullshit - you'd almost start to think the anti-virus industry is paying them to let those bugs
continue to exists so more virusses can be created for them ;) 


we're not gonna disconnect anyone's internet just because 'some people' refuse to just let dead and
broken protocols and software be dead (or fix them up a little).  

any line of code wasted on dnsbls or harrassing isps, won't solve the problem. a problem that to me
is virtually non-existant as i barely use smtp anyway. the 1990s are over, there is plenty of
better stuff out there... just use that. 





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On Jan 31, 2017 Marilson wrote:
 



Hey pal, you're confusing me with Andre. But I'm not your friend either. I am a ISP hunter because
I do not consider the spammers and scammers the real responsible for that naughtiness. And you are
the incontestable proof of what I am saying:
 
> 'if your computer crashes when someone sends TCP OOB messages to it on port 139 i think it was, go fix your operating system, don't go around demanding that we terminate contracts with anyone that gets the great idea to send you such packets. lol.'
 
I will never 'turned on Spamhaus'. Do you know why? After 'turned on Spamcop' (America rules the
internet) for a year, and 'turned on Netcraft' (Britain rules the internet) for almost two years, I
have learned that they are liars, dishonest, and their real goals are unconfessable. Spamcop
cheated on me for a whole year and Netcraft keeps cheating almost every day. Why do I continue
using Netcraft? Because every cheating I denounce with evidence and copy for everyone. Inclusive
for Anonymous. The irony is that I spam when I report it, but I give them viral advertising.
 
You have my sympathy towards Spamhaus but you are my enemy as long as you find it funny that your
criminal client invades and infects my computer. It is your right not to terminate a contract but
will be complicit in the crime. And that could cost you another 55 days like those in Spain.
 
That is all, pal!
Marilson
 Never so few done so much harm to so many. 
 
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  On Jan 31, 2017 HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker wrote: 




be that as it may but as long as 'some' try to get MY networks/companies depeered "because" we
don't terminate clients when they tell us to, by abusing their unsollicited influence over delivery
to YOUR mail as a means of blackmail to obstruct the mail of MY suppliers until they disconnect ME,
YOUR mail protocol and it's (more or less) related rbls are a problem to ME. :P


now if YOU would have turned on spamhaus YOURSELF that indeed is YOUR choice... 

however in by far most cases, that's not the case and it's the mail service provider making that
choice for all of it's customers. giving spamhaus severe leverage to use as a means of extortion.
(and also being blatantly illegal by itself - violates net neutrality).



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On Jan 21, 2017 Marilson wrote: 
 



My horse-drawn cart is mine, not yours.
My email is mine, not yours. IS MINE. Only the psychopaths and the arrogant can not understand this
truth. They think that everything belongs to them.
Follow the rules of email marketing. Be decent. Respect people. PROBLEM SOLVED. ;)
 
Marilson
Never so few done so much harm to so many. 
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From: HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker 
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 12:35 PM
To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net ; Marilson ; ox 
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] RBL Discussion Update


 

we don't adjust the autobahn to safely accomodate your horse drawn cart. 
same thing. buy a proper vehicle. problem solved.


On 31 USU+O, 2017 U. 02:12, ox wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 14:05:12 +0000
> HRH Prince Sven Olaf von CyberBunker <svenk at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>
>> as -that- is what all those spamhaus listings (the ones -before- the
>> escalations, which are pure and solely blackmail) are -mostly- about:
>> trade policy. not spam. not virusses.
>>
> *yawn* still ranting about Spamhaus...
>
> Andre
>