[anti-abuse-wg] *** Re: *** Re: Abuse Police

No. That is not what I said.

What I said is that law enforcement should enforce laws and not huge
global multinationals forcing their monoculture on the planet.

Each country on the planet has laws.

This is factual, and not an opinion.

Irrespective of whether you agree with those laws, or not.

We, all of us on this list

Are currently (right now) subjects of the global multinationals.

And, each passing day, these multinationals are exerting more and more,
pervasively, their power of shaping our culture, what we think, our
opinions, what we may see, what we may read, etc.

For example: If you have a @gmail.com account, and Google decides for
any reason that you should not read or receive my email, you will not.

If I could only contact you through Google Phone (if that existed) and
had no other means of communicating with you, I would have been edited
out of your life.

I am not just talking about Internet Abuse, but from an Internet abuse
perspective, please re-read my original post.

This is the discussion, who is the "police" in future, will it be the
registry? registrars? Hosting companies? Google? who?

and who's laws will these enforce? their "own" laws? the US law? EU law?

currently multinational companies make their own "laws" and each
country law enforcement power is becoming less and less each passing
year.

Andre


On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:08:11 -0700
"   " <phishing at storey.xxx> wrote:

> "Some countries don't agree with a rule, therefore there should be no
> rules"
> 
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anarchy
> 
> "Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or
> purpose" "Absence of any form of authority."
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] *** Re: Abuse Police
> > From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
> > Date: Fri, August 25, 2017 12:10 am
> > To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> > 
> > What argument in favor of anarchy?
> > 
> > Are you confused or a troll?
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 07:00:54 -0700
> > " " <phishing at storey.xxx> wrote:
> > 
> > > Your argument in favour of anarchy does not apply in real life, so
> > > why should it apply on the internet.
> > >
> > > Some people might think robbing banks is ok because the banks can
> > > afford it. That doesn't mean laws aren't enacted because "not
> > > everyone" agrees with it.
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Police
> > > > From: ox <andre at ox.co.za>
> > > > Date: Thu, August 24, 2017 10:04 pm
> > > > To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hmm, if it is spam malware, in .ru for example (and many other
> > > > countries), it may actually be be legal software. so, no.. too
> > > > general
> > > >
> > > > maybe you mean slavery, cannibalism & child abuse?
> > > > (then, the Internet may be used to assist in the crimes similar
> > > > to a car used to assist in a robbery...)
> > > >
> > > > Which specific Internet abuse qualifies for "internationally
> > > > agreed prohibited items" ?
> > > >
> > > > and the real question still remains: "how tech should respond to
> > > > abhorrent content, and whether content should be policed by
> > > > registrars, browsers, or social networks"
> > > >
> > > > I say no. Whichever region law enforcement should enforce laws.
> > > > Not huge multinational companies enforcing their monoculture on
> > > > the world.
> > > >
> > > > Andre
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 14:58:47 +0530
> > > > Suresh Ramasubramanian <ops.lists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > With a few exceptions you are correct - Child abuse material,
> > > > > malware and such, where there is broad international consensus
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 24-Aug-2017, at 2:09 PM, Vittorio Bertola
> > > > > > <vittorio.bertola at open-xchange.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There can be no such thing as "internationally agreed
> > > > > > prohibited items", as these are highly cultural. Even just
> > > > > > inside the EU, for example, there
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> > 
> >