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Sun Aug 28 07:23:24 CEST 2016
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:06:20 -0300 "Marilson" <marilson.mapa at gmail.com> wrote: > You were talking about potatoes and I was talking about orange. The > difference is that my orange was synonymous of Internet and their > potato was ... potatoes. Just to be technically clear :) Pall, you > are a real world example of a single resource abuse. But your > definition still holds up... Good lucky Marilson > Your take away should be to learn better English :) When you say: My Computer was stolen It means that - Someone physically took your computer away from you And, this is exactly why we need a good definition of abuse. It is all about words. Marilson cannot use the word 'stolen' in reference to his PC being compromised, hacked or turned into a zombie as, in truth, his physical PC is still (I assume) sitting on his desk and is being used to be abusive... And, Marilson, telling me that I am an example of a single abuse resource, when all I am doing is simply trying to understand what the heck you are talking about (as you are using the wrong English words) is not cool. I did not once call you any names or say anything personally rude about you, I know exactly how fast things can be in a third or fourth or even fifth+ language :( Glad you accepted that there is no single resource abuse scenarios. And thank you for confirming but I know that the abuse definition still holds up. Andre > From: ox > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:42 AM > To: Marilson > Cc: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Definition of Abuse - preamble > > On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 16:16:09 +0200 > > "Marilson" <marilson.mapa at gmail.com> wrote: > > > If a computer was infected for sending spam or malicious files, it > > > was stolen. After all we are talking about Internet, right? Are > > > you talking about what? Home invasion? Theft of objects? > > Just read what you, yourself are typing above: > > "If a computer was infected" - this means that: > > Someone or something did something > > Someone or Something (or a program or whatever) DID infect > > So, the definition of Internet Abuse, As I have stated it - Works > > perfectly fine. > > Maybe If you read the definition again, it can help you? > > > > "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the usage > > rights of another resource" > > > > This means: Someone (or something) USED you resource (Your PC) > > to send spam or do something or use it for... > > > Just in case someone technical now wants to tell me that a "pc" is not > an Internet Resource, PLEASE note: I am simply making it VERY simple > so that Marilson can understand it also... > > In the example - the internet resource would of course NOT be > Marilson's PC - BUT his PC's resource (IP number, etc) or the > resource that Marilson's PC uses, on the Internet, - to abuse ANOTHER > resource... > > Just to be technically clear :) > > And then, there is still no real world example of a single resource > abuse. So, I guess that means that the definition still holds up... > > Andre > > > > See? > > > > - If someone steals your PC or breaks into your home to steal your > > pc It is NOT Internet Abuse... > > > > If they break in and USE your PC to send spam - Then of course it > > is Internet Abuse - and the definition holds up. > > > > BUT > > > > You are changing the point... You were siding with Gunther, and what > > Gunther said was: > > > > a Single resource can do Internet Abuse... > > > > You are involving multiple resources and then claiming that it > > addresses the first problem... > > > > Not cool, so either you are arguing for the simple sake of arguing > > or you do not understand the problem. > > > > Which is it? > > > > Andre > > >
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