[anti-abuse-wg] RIPE Charter

Hi all,

As a representative of a RIPE member, LIR ru.fotontelecom, I'd like to express my full agreement with Ronald F. Guilmette that the information on terminated membership MUST be publicly available, otherwise it leads to conclusion that RIPE NCC is playing games with both membership and those abusers which they were receiving money from.

I fully understand that this is a serious accusation, but I can't find any other reason for RIPE NCC to justify obscuring this data.


22 августа 2016 г. 23:16:47 GMT+03:00, "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com> пишет:
>
>In message <e6dccd6b-a4d4-6900-b6ba-8389a4adb934 at ripe.net>, 
>Ingrid Wijte <ingrid at ripe.net> wrote:
>
>>The RIPE NCC does not disclose non-public information on a voluntary 
>>basis. We are unable to share this with the working group.
>
>Ms. Wijte,
>
>Let us be clear about this.  We are discussing seven cases from 2015
>and
>2016 in which some legal entity behaved so badly that it actually had
>its membership terminated by RIPE NCC for non-financial reasons.  As
>you
>have already stipulated, these entities are not natural persons, and
>thus,
>EU personal privacy regulations do not apply to any of these cases.
>Separately and additionally, you have stated that RIPE NCC is under no
>ongoing legal obligation whatsoever with respect to these seven
>entities.
>
>More to the point however, although RIPE NCC may indeed wish, as a
>matter
>of policy, to refrain from disclosing "non-public information", any
>such
>policy is obviously, demonstratably, and utterly irrelevant to the
>request
>I have made.
>
>I am compelled to call your attention to the fact that within
>essentially
>all of the countries that comprise the RIPE geographical region,
>governmental records of the legitimate existance of legally established
>business and non-profit entities... including even RIPE NCC itself...
>are in fact open public records.  Thus, it would appear, RIPE NCC legal
>staff is now placing itself in the rather awkard position of refusing
>to release records which, by their very nature, are public governmental
>records, i.e. those which merely attest to the bare legal existance of
>these seven former, and now terminated, RIPE NCC members.
>
>Given these facts, I ask you again to provide to the Anti-Abuse Working
>Group the various bona fides documents which these seven dubious
>"legal"
>entities used when they originally applied for their now terminated
>RIPE NCC memberships.
>
>There is no compelling reason, either as a matter of law, or as a
>matter
>of policy, for RIPE NCC legal staff to deliberately withhold what are
>in
>fact public governmental records and documents.  Should the RIPE NCC
>legal
>staff continue to do so, then I believe that action will call into
>question
>the legal staff's true motivations with respect to this matter.  Thus,
>I
>reiterate my request yet again, and ask you, in your capacity as a
>representative of the RIPE NCC legal staff, to provide these documents
>to the Working Group without further delay.
>
>
>Regards,
>rfg

-- 
Sergey Simonenko
Foton Telecom CJSC 
Chief Technical Officer
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