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Sergey
gforgx at fotontel.ru
Tue Aug 16 15:14:36 CEST 2016
Are you *really* discussing what is abuse instead of dealing with it? Yes, that is really gonna turn into a stand-up comics... On 08/16/16 16:08, ox wrote: > On Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:38:49 +0200 > David Hilario <fransossen at hotmail.com> wrote: > <snip> >> And when it comes to the definition discussed in this thread: >>> "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the >>> usage rights of another resource" >> The RIPE NCC has also been quite active in that aspect too: >> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-662#----1-1-registry-maintenance-----strategic-focus-point-2016 >> > Thank you for highlighting that "abuse" is decreasing. But, > unfortunately, I do not know what abuse is, yet. > > I want to distinguish between crime and abuse. this will make it easier > in the future for Law enforcement, Prosecutors, Courts and society to > understand that : Joe hijacked an IP range and this could be a crime, > not just "abuse" > > For one, I do not agree that unauthorized access is abuse (yet) I think > it may be a crime in many countries, it may not be allowed in terms of > each of our 'terms & conditions' of our own offerings or products and it > is not tolerated, loved or even appreciated in any sane society, but is > is not abuse. > > Abuse itself, as a word in the English language is to "use something to > bad effect or; > to use something for bad purpose or; > the improper use of something or; > treating something poorly or badly, > > not breaking into something > or stealing and/or hijacking something > > When you steal/hijack something and then use that for abuse, that > becomes abuse. > > If you just steal something, it is a crime called theft, which I am > sure is illegal almost everywhere (afaik) > > Maybe you can help, David? > > When RIPE investigates "abuse" what are they investigating? Crimes? > Criminal activity? Fraud? or actual abuse? > > Andre > > > >> "1.1.6 Internet Number Resource Investigations, and Dispute and >> Hijacking Handling >> >> Status: Decreasing >> >> Measurable usage: The RIPE NCC has investigated 252 potential >> hijacks since 2012. From 1 July 2014 to 30 June 2015 the RIPE NCC >> handled 85 investigations. The RIPE NCC received and investigated 572 >> abuse reports from 1 July 2014 2014 to 30 June 2015." >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> David >> >> >>> --srs >>> >>> >>> On 15/08/16, 8:56 PM, "anti-abuse-wg on behalf of ox" >>> <anti-abuse-wg-bounces _at_ ripe _dot_ net on behalf of andre _at_ >>> ox.co _dot_ za> wrote: >>> >>> Unauthorized access is NOT ABUSE, in terms of the current >>> definition: >>> "The non sanctioned use of a resource to infringe upon the >>> usage rights of another resource" >>> >>> And, this is the crux of it all, this defining of "abuse" is >>> exactly why we require a definition. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Sent via RIPE Forum -- https://www.ripe.net/participate/mail/forum >> > -- Kind regards, CTO at *Foton Telecom CJSC* Tel.: +7 (499) 679-99-99 AS42861 on PeeringDB <http://as42861.peeringdb.com/>, Qrator <https://radar.qrator.net/as42861>, BGP.HE.NET <http://bgp.he.net/AS42861> http://ipv6actnow.org/ <%0Ahttp://ipv6actnow.org/> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20160816/b92605d7/attachment.html>
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