[anti-abuse-wg] New Abuse Information on RIPE NCC Website
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Ronald F. Guilmette
rfg at tristatelogic.com
Thu Jun 20 22:26:46 CEST 2013
In message <51C2F0A3.8040302 at heanet.ie>, Brian Nisbet <brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote: >I'm going to snip a lot of this mail, but there's a core issue I'd like >to address. > >> Now, imagine for a moment that The Duchy of Grand Fenwick (google it) has >> just passed a law _requiring_ all of its citizens to spam. What is RIPE >> going to do? Issue each citizen of Grand Fenwick his or her own /24? >> In short, at what point does respect for the individuality and authority >> of the constituent nations and municipalities of the entire RIPE region >> cross over into unambiguous lunacy? > >It's an interesting hypothetical, certainly. There are a number of >possible options. The first is that the EU, or just the Netherlands, >became aware of this and said "These people are bad, EU companies may >not trade with them". The RIPE NCC operates under Dutch law, so they >would be forced to stop doing business with those people. A highly unlikely scenario, I think you will agree. >The second may be that while these companies may be legitimate >businesses the NCC is aware of the local law and says, "Ah, no, we know, >for a fact, that you are mandated to use these resources for network >abuse, therefore your application is invalid." Again, based upon the current available evidence, also a highly unlikely scenario. >The third option may be that the law is passed, the resources are handed >out and the RIPE community, so incensed by this, writes a policy that >allows for far more invasive deregistration and closure steps and the >membership of the NCC signs off on this. It would be... fun (fcvo fun) >to watch and I suspect Nigel may cry. I'm not even sure which specific Nigel you are referring to, but I for one could live with that. >Of course in amongst all of this I would suspect if the resources were >handed out, there would be a lot of depeering and null routing going on >in relation to the poor, forced-to-spam, citizens of the Grand Duchy. :) Once again, based upon the available evidence, I would claim that it would in fact be improbable that any substantial amount of deppeering and/or null routing would occur, in practice. It is a classic "trajedy of the commons" problem, and no operator would wish to have to explain to its user base why they, end end lusers, can no longer send e-mail to their cousins in Grand Fenwick. Regards, rfg
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