[anti-abuse-wg] Enabling community self-help?
Gert Doering gert at space.net
Fri Mar 30 09:49:57 CEST 2012
HI, On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 09:36:38AM +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: > BTW Gert - never mind the "spam is illegal or not" type argument here. > Let us try it another way. > > Does the average russian botmaster who submits paperwork for a new /20 > say he needs the /20 to host his botnet c&cs? > > Or something else entirely? > > In other words, besides all the ranting about how you are not the > document police so you can't possibly verify the registrant .. does > that document policing argument also extend to not verifying all the > weird and wonderful stories about media streaming, colo etc that the > botmaster spins RIPE NCC in his allocation paperwork? So how exactly do you verify business *plans*? We've seen enough customers come up with wonderful ideas about their Internet application, requesting a /22 or similar, only to figure out half a year later that their idea wasn't so good in the end, they have only used 5 IP addresses, and are nearly bancrupt. So how can you see at application time whether something is a cool idea that might or might not work out (but you wouldn't know until half a year later) or is a blatant lie (which you wouldn't see unless they start using the space and complaints come in)? Besides... sending mail *is* a perfectly acceptable usage of IP addresses. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20120330/c9feffec/attachment.sig>