[anti-abuse-wg] National PSDN "UZPAK"
julien tayon julien at tayon.net
Tue Mar 27 14:41:55 CEST 2012
2012/3/25 Florian Weimer <fw at deneb.enyo.de>: > * Reza Farzan: > >> What is the RIPE policy regarding listing contact e-mails, especially about >> reporting abuse? > > Email contact information is optional. > fake fax number with a 3200baud lane is however cool, or optionnaly overtaxed telephone number with unnice and incompetent sweat phone center is quite a must. A regexp describing a phone number in an ABNF in a RFC matters more to RIPE than if there are actually people answering the given phone number are respecting the basics of troubleshooting (ticketing, tracability, competence, accountability...). Well, to be honest would they have contracts with the LIR/RIR they could enforce the contact. Ho ! My bad. They have the awful power to restrict the delivery of public IP & AS, therefore they have power over the contractant. I even guess they could ask the blackholing of some resources (BGP) in extreme case. I am pretty much seeing RIPE as a bureaucracy even though it is working by the good will of really nice and expert persons. But -in my opinion- it has forgotten its goal : making sure change management, QA, accountability of internet resources stakeholders is made correctly. And they have the power to do it. Contracts are there since the roman empire and they still works the same : a contract is broken if one of the party does not respects its word on an essential contractual binding as long as it is legal. I have read 10 years ago the RIPE contract for RIR, they do have the power to do it for sure. It is not a technical issue, it is more a political issue amongst RIPE : they don't want to be the bad guys sanctioning bad behaviours, they are the good guys helping as much good willed people as they can to do their job properly and cooperate (that's the reason to be of the RIPE formation I guess on topics such as DNSSec, IPv6, and meetings, RIPE ML). Revoking a contract is way more costly (since you have to put a lawyer on the issue in an international context ruled by more than one country/law/convention). How many formations do you have to sacrifice for a contract to be revoked ? Politic is about deciding how much resources you spend on a given task. It is clearly not in the hand of any technical mailing lists. And legal enforcement costs prejudices the formation price. (Education is productive, litigations alone has no long term positive impact on the whole ecosystem). RIPE essence is clearly to improve the pool of good willed people and make them cooperate. However, I would -if I were the RIPE- at least publicly announce once in a while that a rogue RIR/LIR has its contract suspended. I would do it just because it is demotivating to do your job correctly when you have evidence of people doing it wrong without any consequence for them. Cheers PS : I really do have appreciated RIPE good willed, nice, and competent help when I had to fill the IPv4 forms. I really loved working with RIPE NCC it was a pleasing experience. I just would like it to be even better and I guess I lack so much elements that I might have expressed an obviously stupid opinion, but I was told you should always trust your intuition :) -- Julien Tayon Silent lurker for years and with no actual shiny title or experience to backup its opinion :)