[anti-abuse-wg] the mandatory abuse field

H.Lu wrote:
> Hi
> 

Hi,

>> So, my personal summary is:
>> ---
>> Anybody, who is against a mandatory abuse field,
>> is a professional spammer, abuser, maintains
>> a bot net or sells open proxies or other services
>> used for abusing others.
>> They are criminals to my opinion.
>>
> 
> I think this is a bit too absolute...

Not at all.
There is only four types:
1 people that do like to do something against abuse
   originating from there resources
2 people that do like to do something against abuse
   reaching there networks
3 people that do not like to do anything against
   abuse originating from there networks

Some of those interest could be combinated.

(and all those will have no problem with
the mandatory abuse field, they will either
love it or they can ignore it)

and:

4 people that dont want that others have
   it easier to work against spam THEY cause

> 
> But even they are, identify them as criminal might not be true as in some country spam might not even consider as offense.

Well, its illegal in my country, so I can call them criminals.

(please do me a favor and name one country in the RIPE
region, where its legal to abuse computers and services)


The big question is:
- should we stop any progress in spam reporting and the
  cleanup of the database because of people,
  that are criminals in most member countries ?
- and that are not even located in the RIPE region ?
- and that are no members ?

The following always puzzled me anyway:
how can people influence the regulations without
being members or without bing located in
the RIPE region ?
The members pay the service and to my opinion,
paying members should be the only ones, we
should listen too.

Its a weird situation, that anybody from whatever
country with whatever background or regulations
can influence everything.

Lets take ICANN as an example: do you
really think that I will have the chance
to influence a vote at the  ICANN members board
without being a member ?
Well, they might listen, what others have to
say, but finally it will be a vote.

Lets have a vote asking all RIPE members
abuse this proposal instead of listening
to every criminal from the world ...


Kind regards, Frank

>> But thats only my impression ...
>> ---
>>
>>
>> Kind regards, Frank
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> 
> 


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Mit freundlichen Gruessen,
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PHADE Software - PowerWeb                       http://www.powerweb.de
Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast             mailto:frank at powerweb.de
Schinkelstrasse 17                                fon: +49 33200 52920
14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany             fax: +49 33200 52921
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