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Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
michele at blacknight.ie
Thu Aug 11 10:17:43 CEST 2011
Re bounces - I got them too Mr. Michele Neylon Blacknight http://Blacknight.tel Via iPhone so excuse typos and brevity On 11 Aug 2011, at 07:16, "Kostas Zorbadelos" <kzorba at otenet.gr> wrote: > On 08/11/2011 03:05 AM, Aftab Siddiqui wrote: >> So Brian, being the chair, is there any possibility to sum up few >> things here like the problem statement (I guess it was fake Whois >> initially) because as suresh said 3-4 ppl will always going to debate >> on the same issues again n again than why not these ppl can come up >> with a suggestion towards solution. >> > > I totally agree with this one. A summary of the problem statement(s) would be a > good thing because I think I am not the only one that lost track of the recent > conversations. > > Kostas > > PS: Am I the only one that received some bounces from this list? > Example follows: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Return-Path: <> > X-Original-To: kzorba at noc.otenet.gr > Delivered-To: kzorba at noc.otenet.gr > Received: from sirius.otenet.gr (sirius.otenet.gr [83.235.66.60]) > by noc.otenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C568B8030 > for <kzorba at noc.otenet.gr>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:21:57 +0300 (EEST) > Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) > by sirius.otenet.gr (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p7AALq3C025591 > for <kzorba at otenet.gr>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:21:55 +0300 > Received: by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) > id A01FE6A11F; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) > Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) > From: MAILER-DAEMON at ripe.net (Mail Delivery System) > Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender > To: kzorba at otenet.gr > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; > boundary="98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net" > Message-Id: <20110810102152.A01FE6A11F at postboy.ripe.net> > > This is a MIME-encapsulated message. > > --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net > Content-Description: Notification > Content-Type: text/plain > > This is the Postfix program at host postboy.ripe.net. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not > be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. > > For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the attached returned message. > > The Postfix program > > <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>: mail forwarding loop for > anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net > > --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net > Content-Description: Delivery report > Content-Type: message/delivery-status > > Reporting-MTA: dns; postboy.ripe.net > X-Postfix-Queue-ID: 98DBC6A11C > X-Postfix-Sender: rfc822; kzorba at otenet.gr > Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net > Action: failed > Status: 5.0.0 > Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; mail forwarding loop for > anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net > > --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net > Content-Description: Undelivered Message > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) > (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98DBC6A11C > for <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com ([217.108.152.41]) > by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) > (envelope-from <kzorba at otenet.gr>) > id 1Qr5v4-0003JH-7T > for anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:21:52 +0200 > Received: from r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 8CC2A738009 > for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:23:09 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.192.128.46]) > by r-mail1.rd.francetelecom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AE07B8010 > for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:23:09 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr ([10.192.128.49]) by ftrdsmtp1.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); > Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:57:46 +0200 > Received: from mail pickup service by ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:13:41 +0200 > Received: from omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr ([10.98.3.82]) by ftrdsmtp4.rd.francetelecom.fr with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); > Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:37 +0200 > Received: from omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (unknown [10.98.77.165]) > by omfeda08.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 1B72C38404A > for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:07 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) > by omfeda13.si.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with SMTP id 07C411905F3 > for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:07 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from postboy.ripe.net (postboy.ripe.net [193.0.19.3]) > (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by relais-inet.francetelecom.com (ESMTP service) with ESMTPS id 902A01905F0 > for <pierre.caron at orange-ftgroup.com>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:06 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from postboy.ripe.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBDB36A09A; > Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:22:02 +0200 (CEST) > X-Original-To: anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net > Delivered-To: anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net > Received: from postgirl.ripe.net (postgirl.ripe.net [193.0.19.66]) > (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) > (No client certificate requested) > by postboy.ripe.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9D06A099 > for <anti-abuse-wg at lists.ripe.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:21:34 +0200 (CEST) > Received: from noc.otenet.gr ([195.170.0.29]) > by postgirl.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.72) > (envelope-from <kzorba at otenet.gr>) > id 1QqkNI-00040Y-JN > for anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:21:34 +0200 > Received: from [212.205.221.137] (enigma.otenet.gr [212.205.221.137]) > by noc.otenet.gr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8ADB8B8030 > for <anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net>; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:21:31 +0300 (EEST) > Message-ID: <4E4118CF.2050201 at otenet.gr> > From: Kostas Zorbadelos <kzorba at otenet.gr> > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > To: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Abuse report. > References: <4e402a95.3020409 at eunet.rs> <452d9c4ceeb.000000e3world.antispam.report at inbox.com> <459BAB01B7D.0000016Bworld.antispam.report at inbox.com> > In-Reply-To: <459BAB01B7D.0000016Bworld.antispam.report at inbox.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-RIPE-Spam-Level: -- > X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -2.7 points > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ > -0.8 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain > -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > [score: 0.0000] > X-RIPE-Signature: e75c1e1f8fb33358b75e61b940efb654473ccce5d76a543f49de81d3f8adb7a7 > Sender: anti-abuse-wg-admin at ripe.net > Errors-To: anti-abuse-wg-admin at ripe.net > X-BeenThere: anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13 > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Discussion of anti-abuse measures <anti-abuse-wg.ripe.net> > List-Post: <mailto:anti-abuse-wg at ripe.net> > X-RIPE-Lists: Discussion of anti-abuse measures <anti-abuse-wg.ripe.net> > List-Subscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg>, > <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=subscribe> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://www.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/anti-abuse-wg>, > <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=unsubscribe> > List-Help: <mailto:anti-abuse-wg-request at ripe.net?subject=help> > List-Archive: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/maillists/archives/ > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:23:59 +0300 > X-PMX-Version: 5.5.9.395186, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.376379, Antispam-Data: 2011.8.9.111515 > X-PerlMx-Spam: Gauge=X, Probability=10%, Report=' > TO_IN_SUBJECT 0.5, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_1000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_400_499 0, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS 0, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS 0, SPF_NONE 0, __ANY_URI 0, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ 0, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __DATE_TZ_RU 0, __HAS_LIST_HEADER 0, __HAS_LIST_HELP 0, __HAS_LIST_SUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_LIST_UNSUBSCRIBE 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __MOZILLA_MSGID 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __TO_MALFORMED_2 0, __TO_NO_NAME 0, __URI_NS , __USER_AGENT 0' > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2011 11:22:37.0321 (UTC) FILETIME=[A48CF790:01CC5686] > X-RIPE-Spam-Level: - > X-RIPE-Spam-Report: Spam Total Points: -1.9 points > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- ------------------------------------ > -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% > [score: 0.0000] > X-RIPE-Signature: e75c1e1f8fb33358b75e61b940efb654473ccce5d76a543f49de81d3f8adb7a7 > > On 08/09/2011 02:15 PM, abuse at localhost.com wrote: >> James? Have you noticed the name of this present mailing list?\ >> Why would there be the word "anti-abuse" in it? >> Is an uncared for spam complaint "Off Topic"? >> >> I don't think so. >> ============================== >> > > http://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/anti-abuse > > Please, I think we should lower the noise of these threads. > > Regards, > > Kostas > > > --98DBC6A11C.1312971712/postboy.ripe.net-- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> M2C >> >> On Wednesday, August 10, 2011, Brian Nisbet<brian.nisbet at heanet.ie> wrote: >>> "Suresh Ramasubramanian" wrote the following on 10/08/2011 15:38: >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michele Neylon :: Blacknight >>> <michele at blacknight.ie> wrote: >>> >>> Odd that it came up here as well .. there's a similar-ish discussion about definitions going on in APWG as well .. >>> >>> >>> There have been periodic threads on this in just about every antispam >>> mailing list and newsgroup that I have been part of, for over 15 years >>> now. >>> >>> The more mature lists soon grow out of it, or at least reduce the >>> frequency of this discussion which speedily goes into a quibbling and >>> hair splitting exercise engaged in by like three or four people [often >>> the same 3 or 4 people each time, go figure] >>> >>> >>> Thank you for answering that, Suresh. While I do wonder what definitions people are looking for, you have just said, in an excellent way, what I was thinking of saying. >>> >>> Brian. >>> >>> >> >
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