[anti-abuse-wg] Re: [db-wg] please test email validity in whois records

Hi Tobias,

Have a look at the archives[1]. I think I answered them years ago  
already. IRT is virtually non existent and the database has already  
been changed to contain abuse related information in an attribute  
clearly named "abuse-mailbox" to try and get away from the freeform  
remarks fields people tend to use.

So basically it's al there but nobody uses it, not every address user  
fills in the right details and when the information is there people  
are happily ignoring it by only searching for the least specific range.

Now I might be a bit biased regarding the technical solutions being in  
place but I do think database wise all mechanisms and fields are  
there. What's left is to get people to use it and I'm not only talking  
about the people who register address blocks in the database but also  
the people who retrieve that information (or at least try to).

Now obviously you could try and change the policy that any address  
blocks registered need to have certain information attached to it, but  
how to enforce this information is correct and more importantly stays  
correct and what to do with the over 3 billion addresses registered  
already today ?

Secondly you might still want to try and get more information out  
there on how to use the information in the ripe database to get to the  
correct people, we had some attempts when working on the abuse-mailbox  
attr but it never  really took off.

Grtx,

Marco

[1] http://www.ripe.net/ripe/meetings/ripe-47/presentations/ripe47-db-abusec.pdf

On Jul 29, 2009, at 8:31 PM, Tobias Knecht wrote:

> Hi,
>
> we are talking to the Abuse Working Group at the moment and we will
> start a discussion soon about exactly this.
>
> Parts of the discussion will be:
> - IRT Object usage
> - One place to put the abuse@ contact data. (not neccesarily making it
> mandatory, but if somebody wants to offer it, everybody should do it  
> at
> the same place.
> - ...
>
> While waiting for that discussion you could have a look at this.
>
> http://www.abusix.de/abuse-contact-db/
>
> We build up this Database and you can use it for free.
> Next step is to get it out the beta status, which has nothing to do  
> with
> the data accuracy, more with speeding up some update processes in the
> backend.
>
> Another thing we are working on at the moment is a validation of email
> addresses we offer and give back status codes for working or not  
> working
> addresses. Since abusix.org is a volunteer driven project, this  
> takes a
> little bit of time. ;-)
>
> So feel free to use it and give us hints or suggestions what is good  
> and
> what is not good.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tobias
>
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