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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Nothing bad in the things when people
      need IPs and get them.<br>
      IPs should cost nothing. It's just numbers. The luck of IPs - it's
      the RIPEs falt I guese.<br>
      As far as we see a lot of IPs are not routed and not used. But
      some small companies own a lot of IPs space never realy used.<br>
      Another one trick - that FREE IPs number is growing.†
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/ipv6-info-centre/about-ipv6/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph">https://www.ripe.net/publications/ipv6-info-centre/about-ipv6/ipv4-exhaustion/ipv4-available-pool-graph</a><br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://labs.ripe.net/statistics">https://labs.ripe.net/statistics</a> - LIR number grows becouse it's
      not other way to get some IPs.<br>
      So the most profit comes to RIPE, but we still have the same LIR
      fees, they are not going down as the number of real companys that
      use RIPE services.<br>
      <br>
      Vadim<br>
      <br>
      On 23.04.2015 14:55, Erik Bais wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
            Gabriel, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
            agree with you that it might satisfy a specific need for a
            company at a certain time to open a new LIR.. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Iíve
            seen LIRís request for a /22 that didnít even knew they
            could still get a free /22 from the RIPE NCC.† . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            goal of this proposal is to stop the abuse of opening a new
            LIR, transferring the /22 for profit to another LIR and
            close the LIR. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
            it is against the original intent of the final /8 last /22
            procedure †(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-643#51</a>
            ) <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">And
            specifically :† <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Point
            3 :† The LIR must confirm it will make assignment(s) from
            the allocation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The
            intention of the current policy and why it was made as it
            was in the past, is to give EVERY LIR 1 additional /22 Ö and
            also have enough for new entries in the market ( looking at
            the new sign-ups of LIR typically in the market, if you look
            at how that number grew over the last couple years.. ) for
            at least 5 to 6 years Ö †<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Point
            3 doesnít say .. The LIR must confirm it will make
            assignment(s) from the allocation or transfer parts or the
            complete allocation for profit to another LIR. †<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
            policy text was never intended to have new LIRís being setup
            and closed just to get cheap IPís Ö And Iím pretty sure that
            if that was foreseen at the time, that the respective author
            would have closed that gap at the time Ö <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As
            that is in the past Ö and this is currently being abused ..
            It is time to fix this and close this gap. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Erik
            Bais <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>†</o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                  lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span
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                lang="NL"> address-policy-wg
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net">mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces@ripe.net</a>] <b>Namens </b>Infinity
                Telecom SRL<br>
                <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 23 april 2015 13:41<br>
                <b>Aan:</b> Erik Bais; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:address-policy-wg@ripe.net">address-policy-wg@ripe.net</a><br>
                <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [address-policy-wg] Transfer
                Requirements for IPv4 Allocations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>†</o:p></p>
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            style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Hello
            Erik,<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Why someone will come to me to get new IPs, †when they can
            open a LIR by them self ? Without extra cost ? <br>
            <br>
            I think everyone that open a LIR right now its because they
            dont have any chance to BUY from sellers.. <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Thank you.<br>
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              Cu stima,<br>
              Gabriel Voitis | Sales Manager<br>
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