[address-policy-wg] Input Requested: How to Ensure Responsible ASN Resource Management

Hi Mike,

Are these setups still multihome?

Regardsm

Arash Naderpour

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023 at 12:12 PM Mike Bromwich <mike.bromwich at stacuity.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One other aspect to consider - there are situations where public ASNs (and
> addresses) are required - but not directly connected to the Internet.
> Therefore, they do not appear in the Internet routing tables but are
> legitimately used elsewhere.
>
> For example, in our field (mobile cellular networks) mobile operators are
> connected using the IPX network as managed by the GSMA. This is distinct
> from the Internet but public ASNs and addresses are required.
>
> The relevant guidelines from the GSMA:
> https://www.gsma.com/newsroom/wp-content/uploads/IR.40-v8.0.pdf
>
> 'The GSMA worked closely with the all the RIR communities (RIPE NCC, ARIN
> and APNIC)
> to develop and produce the early versions of this document. This was
> essential to ensure
> that the proposed guidelines to the Service Providers associated with
> requesting and
> implementing Public addresses are aligned with the existing policies and
> procedures of the
> RIR community.'
>
> 'New Public address space assignment must be requested by Service
> Providers and IPX
> Providers from the appropriate LIR/NIR/DR using existing procedures
> supported by its
> respective serving RIR.
>
> This document can be used as part of the request submitted by the Service
> Provider as a
> source of reference to help explain the requirement for Public address
> space.'
>
> Perhaps there are other such networks which work in the same way? Perhaps
> there should be a mechanism to record or report that resources are in use
> elsewhere and so should not be recovered?
>
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address-policy-wg <address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net> On Behalf Of
> Marco Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 2:31 PM
> To: address-policy-wg at ripe.net
> Subject: [address-policy-wg] Input Requested: How to Ensure Responsible
> ASN Resource Management
>
> Dear colleagues,
>
> At RIPE 86, we shared some observations regarding Autonomous System Number
> (ASN) requests and usage [1].
>
> We see an increasing number of ASN requests coming from both inside and
> outside of our service region. This seems to be driven primarily by the low
> cost and ease of receiving an ASN from the RIPE NCC. The downside is that
> we also see a significant decrease in responsible resource management by
> these resource holders. A large number of ASNs are never used or become
> abandoned after a short period.
>
> Some data: in the last two years, we have provided 4,186 ASNs (between
> March 2021 and February 2023). Of this amount, we can see that 1,478 ASNs
> (more than 35%) do not appear to be in use, as they are not visible in the
> routing system.
>
> Looking at total numbers, we have issued almost 38,000 ASNs, of which more
> than 8,000  (~20%) are not visible.
>
> This growing trend not only creates avoidable work for Registration
> Services and added costs for the membership, we believe it also undermines
> the goal of responsible management of Internet number resources within our
> service region.
>
> As the membership voted against an annual service fee for ASNs at the
> recent RIPE NCC General Meeting, I would like to ask the working group for
> guidance on how resource holders can be motivated to manage their ASNs
> responsibly and how the RIPE NCC can provide support for this.
>
> We also plan to intensify our ongoing project to clean up unused
> Autonomous System (AS) Numbers [2]. Almost 2,000 unused ASNs have been
> recovered as part of this work so far. Do you support our approach here?
> And are there other ways we could improve the situation? Perhaps you could
> add clarification on requesting and returning ASNs in the relevant RIPE
> policy, or maybe we could give a stronger mandate and responsibility to the
> sponsoring LIRs.
>
>
>
> If you have an ASN registered to you that you don’t need anymore, you can
> always contact us through the LIR Portal or via your sponsoring LIR and we
> will arrange for the return of this resource.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Marco Schmidt
> Manager Registration Services
> RIPE NCC
>
>
>
> [1]
>
> https://ripe86.ripe.net/wp-content/uploads/presentations/82-RIPE86-Feeback-from-RS-reviewed.pdf
>
> [2] https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/as-numbers/as-number-clean-up
>
>
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