From rfg at tristatelogic.com Thu Jul 7 23:27:49 2022 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:27:49 -0700 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reclamation of Number Resources Message-ID: <43087.1657229269@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Greetings all, As many of you no doubt know, there has been quite an extraordinarily large brouhaha of late within the AFRINIC region relating to AFRINIC's efforts to reclaim certain large blocks of IPv4 addresses from one particular member organization. This effort has resulted in considerable litigation within Mauritius, the home country of AFRINIC. Partially as a result of this ongoing controversy, but also just for my own edification, I would like to ask a number of questions about any and all prior instances in which RIPE has reclaimed number resources from member organizations, based on policy. It seems safe to assume that there have historically been some instances in which RIPE memberships have been terminated, and any associated assigned number resources reclaimed, if and when a given member has simply failed to pay fess due to RIPE. My questions however have to do with situations where policy violations other than the non-payment of fees are involved. Specifically, I would like to know if any of you can recall past instances where number resources have been reclaimed, by RIPE, for any of the following reasons: *) Usage of the assigned number resources was no longer consistant with the original justification submitted to RIPE. *) Violation(s) of out-of-region usage policy. *) Any other policy violations. Thanks in advance for any and all responses. Regards, rfg From mschmidt at ripe.net Mon Jul 11 13:39:07 2022 From: mschmidt at ripe.net (Marco Schmidt) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:39:07 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reclamation of Number Resources In-Reply-To: <43087.1657229269@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <43087.1657229269@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: <915f19e1-fff5-ced2-611b-30e5f3167d23@ripe.net> Dear Ronald, The RIPE policy document ?IPv4 Address Allocation and Assignment Policies for the RIPE NCC Service Region? contains clear requirements regarding the de-registration of address space held by our members: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-733#9 ?------------------- The RIPE NCC may close an LIR for any of the following reasons: ??? * the LIR does not pay money owed to the RIPE NCC ??? * the LIR cannot be contacted by the RIPE NCC for a significant period of time ??? * the LIR consistently violates the RIPE community's policies The RIPE NCC takes on responsibility for address space held by closing LIRs. ?-------------------- This is further specified in our procedural document ?Closure of Members, Deregistration of Internet Resources and Legacy Internet Resources?: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-775 The RIPE NCC has de-registered address space based on these policy requirements by carrying out further investigations, including for policy violations. We provide an overview of the investigations carried out in our Annual Report [1]. Please note that the RIPE region has no specific out-of-region usage policy. We see de-registration of Internet number resources as the last resort, and as far as possible, we try to work with our members to ensure policy compliance while simultaneously preventing any impact on active networks and their users. I hope this answers your questions. Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Assistant Manager Registry Services RIPE NCC [1] https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-777 On 07/07/2022 23:27, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > Greetings all, > > As many of you no doubt know, there has been quite an extraordinarily large > brouhaha of late within the AFRINIC region relating to AFRINIC's efforts to > reclaim certain large blocks of IPv4 addresses from one particular member > organization. This effort has resulted in considerable litigation within > Mauritius, the home country of AFRINIC. > > Partially as a result of this ongoing controversy, but also just for my > own edification, I would like to ask a number of questions about any and > all prior instances in which RIPE has reclaimed number resources from > member organizations, based on policy. > > It seems safe to assume that there have historically been some instances in > which RIPE memberships have been terminated, and any associated assigned > number resources reclaimed, if and when a given member has simply failed > to pay fess due to RIPE. My questions however have to do with situations > where policy violations other than the non-payment of fees are involved. > Specifically, I would like to know if any of you can recall past instances > where number resources have been reclaimed, by RIPE, for any of the following > reasons: > > *) Usage of the assigned number resources was no longer consistant with > the original justification submitted to RIPE. > > *) Violation(s) of out-of-region usage policy. > > *) Any other policy violations. > > Thanks in advance for any and all responses. > > > Regards, > rfg > From rfg at tristatelogic.com Mon Jul 11 17:24:22 2022 From: rfg at tristatelogic.com (Ronald F. Guilmette) Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2022 08:24:22 -0700 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reclamation of Number Resources In-Reply-To: <915f19e1-fff5-ced2-611b-30e5f3167d23@ripe.net> Message-ID: <78413.1657553062@segfault.tristatelogic.com> In message <915f19e1-fff5-ced2-611b-30e5f3167d23 at ripe.net>, Marco Schmidt wrote: >The RIPE NCC has de-registered address space based on these policy >requirements by carrying out further investigations, including for >policy violations. Thank you Marco. Can you give me some idea of how many instances there have been of reclamations that were the result of policy violations other than the non-payment of fees, over say, either the past 5 years or since the inception of RIPE? Would the number be closer to 5 or 500? >We see de-registration of Internet number resources as the last resort, Of course! Regards, rfg From mschmidt at ripe.net Tue Jul 12 15:46:34 2022 From: mschmidt at ripe.net (Marco Schmidt) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2022 15:46:34 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reclamation of Number Resources In-Reply-To: <78413.1657553062@segfault.tristatelogic.com> References: <78413.1657553062@segfault.tristatelogic.com> Message-ID: Hello Ronald, Thank you for your question. On 11/07/2022 17:24, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote: > In message <915f19e1-fff5-ced2-611b-30e5f3167d23 at ripe.net>, > Marco Schmidt wrote: > >> The RIPE NCC has de-registered address space based on these policy >> requirements by carrying out further investigations, including for >> policy violations. > Thank you Marco. > > Can you give me some idea of how many instances there have been of > reclamations that were the result of policy violations other than > the non-payment of fees, over say, either the past 5 years or since > the inception of RIPE? > > Would the number be closer to 5 or 500? When checking our Annual Reports, you will see that it was closer to 5 during the last years. >> We see de-registration of Internet number resources as the last resort, > Of course! > > > Regards, > rfg > Kind regards, Marco Schmidt Assistant Manager Registry Services RIPE NCC