From me at cynthia.re Tue Feb 1 01:45:07 2022 From: me at cynthia.re (=?UTF-8?Q?Cynthia_Revstr=C3=B6m?=) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 01:45:07 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 - Geolocation concerns In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, TL;DR: this will be an issue in some cases but not in others. I know that this is the issue for some geoblocks, that is the original reason why we[1] requested multiple IPv6 prefixes from the RIPE NCC. To clarify, the issue is when this information is fetched from one of the delegation files available on ftp.ripe.net (and equivalents from other RIRs). Though I believe this workaround no longer works as I seem to recall the policy changing and requiring this to match the jurisdiction of the legal entity (or natural person) of the LIR. I think most geoip info is based on what the "country" attribute is set to in the inet(6)num object, but sadly this varies a lot and it is often difficult to know before you run into an issue. [1]: a LIR that I represent towards the NCC although this email is just sent in my personal capacity. -Cynthia On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 5:10 PM Michalak, Damian wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > This is a follow-up question to the older thread (?IPv6 - Using RIPE acquired prefix in other regions?) > > > > Situation: > > I have acquired /32 IPv6 prefix from RIPE NCC. Prefix is registered for country: DE. > > I?m going to create /48 subnets and advertise them from various locations all around the globe. > > > > Question: > > Do I have to be concerned about geo-location issues? For example someone in US opening Google and getting Google.de? > > If so ? what?s the best way to address this? > > > > P.S. That?s certainly a concern in IPv4 ? I do advertise in US a subnet of a bigger supernet (registered in Poland) and Apple.com thinks I?m in Poland. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ From erey at ernw.de Tue Feb 1 02:00:11 2022 From: erey at ernw.de (Enno Rey) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 02:00:11 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 - Geolocation concerns In-Reply-To: <67733A8C-B0AB-48F4-85A4-BCC56A76EBD0@semihuman.com> References: <67733A8C-B0AB-48F4-85A4-BCC56A76EBD0@semihuman.com> Message-ID: Hi, On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 08:23:58AM -0800, Chris Woodfield wrote: > Generally speaking, the best way to deal with geolocation issues when subdelegating is to make sure that you create INET6NUM objects for your various subnets that include, at minimum, the country from which you expect to advertise them from. WHOIS serves as ground-floor data for most geo databases, so absent other signal, that???s a very good first step. I agree with this. See also page 10 & the footnotes 17-19 in this document: https://ernw.de/download/ERNW_IPv6_Strategy_RIPE.pdf cheers Enno > > -C > > > On Jan 31, 2022, at 8:10 AM, Michalak, Damian wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > This is a follow-up question to the older thread (???IPv6 - Using RIPE acquired prefix in other regions???) > > > > Situation: > > I have acquired /32 IPv6 prefix from RIPE NCC. Prefix is registered for country: DE. > > I???m going to create /48 subnets and advertise them from various locations all around the globe. > > > > Question: > > Do I have to be concerned about geo-location issues? For example someone in US opening Google and getting Google.de ? > > If so ??? what???s the best way to address this? > > > > P.S. That???s certainly a concern in IPv4 ??? I do advertise in US a subnet of a bigger supernet (registered in Poland) and Apple.com thinks I???m in Poland. > > > > Thanks > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ -- Enno Rey Cell: +49 173 6745902 Twitter: @Enno_Insinuator From v-Damian.Michalak at lionbridge.com Tue Feb 1 15:24:30 2022 From: v-Damian.Michalak at lionbridge.com (Michalak, Damian) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 14:24:30 +0000 Subject: [address-policy-wg] IPv6 - Geolocation concerns In-Reply-To: References: <67733A8C-B0AB-48F4-85A4-BCC56A76EBD0@semihuman.com> Message-ID: Thank you for your answers Enno, Cynthia and Chris - all were really helpful and have shown me in which direction to take this further! Best Regards, Damian From lear at cisco.com Thu Feb 3 08:40:10 2022 From: lear at cisco.com (Eliot Lear) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:40:10 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] ripe-587, Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies In-Reply-To: <3B276A32-C18D-4924-848C-B3B3851AA52B@rfc1035.com> References: <3B276A32-C18D-4924-848C-B3B3851AA52B@rfc1035.com> Message-ID: <8116FC49-9D61-4919-816C-329BD8AFC400@cisco.com> Jim, Daniel, I like the idea of the NCC (specifically RIPE Labs) just allocating to themselves a small block of v4 and another of v6 for experiments, and then delegating portions or the whole of the block for bounded experiments, keeping the paperwork and process to a minimum. Also, RIPE could perhaps extort a good talk out of the researchers once the results are published ;-) If someone needs a big block or a long period of time, perhaps that is something to discuss on its own, consulting people the IAB. 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Also, RIPE could perhaps extort a good talk out of the researchers once the results are published ;-) "The policy is too complicated, just circumvent it" is not the way we try to handle policy in RIPE land. If it is so, we try to fix the policy (or the process). That said, there is no way the RIPE NCC could assign a reasonably *big* block of IPv4 - to have multiple /24s available for routing - to itself under current policy anyway. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, RIPE could perhaps extort a good talk out of the researchers once the results are published ;-) > > "The policy is too complicated, just circumvent it" is not the way we > try to handle policy in RIPE land. If it is so, we try to fix the policy > (or the process). First, it?s not clear to me that this is a stretch from existing RIPE policies, but perhaps you could explain the gap. But otherwise, I agree I could have stated that better. I was aiming at a policy that empowers the NCC to provide such temporary or research allocations as they deem appropriate so long as they don?t impact address space or routing table growth or otherwise risk security of others. Having a fixed block for such purposes would suit that policy but is already into the details. Eliot -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also, RIPE could perhaps extort a good talk out of the researchers once the results are published ;-) > > > > "The policy is too complicated, just circumvent it" is not the way we > > try to handle policy in RIPE land. If it is so, we try to fix the policy > > (or the process). > > > First, it???s not clear to me that this is a stretch from existing RIPE > policies, but perhaps you could explain the gap. "The NCC allocating to itself" is very clearly governed by RIPE policies today, and is a special case with extra checks and measures. So, if "the NCC gives address to experiments, according to the temporary address policy" is too complicated, suggesting "the NCC allocates to itself, and then can use that freely without all that paperwork" is something I'd interpret as "circumventing the policy". > But otherwise, I agree I could have stated that better. I was > aiming at a policy that empowers the NCC to provide such temporary > or research allocations as they deem appropriate so long as they > don???t impact address space or routing table growth or otherwise > risk security of others. That is what we have, the current "Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policy", ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-526 - it does that, but as Randy noticed, it has clauses in there that are hard to fulfill for routing experiments ("50% usage" in 3.3). I *do* like the suggestion Daniel Karrenberg made how to tackle this - give the NCC more liberty how to handle "experiments" by consulting, if needed, with an expert panel. 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I do see the issue in defining "expert", > but maybe this could be made sufficiently lightweight - "ask for a > volunteer group of individuals that have had hands-on experience with > BGP routing for years" (because, I think, that's really the crucial > part here, to differenciate from other setups that can do the 50% just > fine, or use RFC1918 space instead). > +1 as well > I'd volunteer, I'm good at not-liking things :-) > I would be a volunteer as well (on my spare time, I'm not sure I could convince my employer of the benefits to its activities) In my case, n>12 :-) > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > Not yet, but the day is still young. St?phane Dodeller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I do see the issue in defining > "expert", but maybe this could be made sufficiently lightweight - "ask > for a volunteer group of individuals that have had hands-on experience > with BGP routing for years" (because, I think, that's really the > crucial part here, to differenciate from other setups that can do the > 50% just fine, or use RFC1918 space instead). you are a (new) LIR applying for IP space. you submit an addressing plan. the ncc convenes a volunteer panel of your competitors to evaluate that plan. oops! tragically, research is competitive, and the ideas are the protein. [ fyi, i admit to being just a shill here. it was reg services who asked for help on the issue. ] randy From adallara at ripe.net Fri Feb 4 11:24:42 2022 From: adallara at ripe.net (Angela Dall'Ara) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 11:24:42 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] ripe-587, Temporary Internet Number Assignment Policies In-Reply-To: <9DC2DAB1-9651-43BC-A24C-76D4AAD239DF@consulintel.es> References: <9DC2DAB1-9651-43BC-A24C-76D4AAD239DF@consulintel.es> Message-ID: <1d446b12-5518-4af3-5ae9-879cbf0fdd80@ripe.net> Dear APWG, Here is an overview of the requests for temporary IPv4 assignments we have received over the past five years. Since 1 January 2017, we received 275 requests in total. 56 of these were approved (43 for conferences/events and 13 for research/tests/experiments). Looking at this closer: - Before IPv4 ?run-out?: we received 171 requests over a period of 35 months, from 1 January 2017 to 24 November 2019. 38 of these requests were approved (33 for conferences/events and 5 for research/tests/experiments). There was an average of 4.9 requests per month and an approval rate of 22.2%. - After IPv4 "run-out": we received a total of 104 requests over a period of 26 months, from 25 November 2019 until today, 4 February 2022. 18 of these requests were approved (10 for conferences/events and 8 for research/tests/experiments). There was an average of 4 requests per month and an approval rate of 17.3%. One request is still ongoing. Of the 85 requests that were rejected, 6 were for conferences and 79 were for research/tests/experiments. Reasons for rejection of the 6 requests for conferences and events: - 1 was cancelled by the requester for administrative reasons - 1 duplicate request - 2 cancelled conferences/events - 2 undocumented conferences/events Reasons for rejections of the 79 requests for research/tests/experiments: - 6 were for network migrations to IPv6 or renumbering due to failover, DDoS attack, etc - 8 were not adequately documented - 18 were for testing on the requestor?s own network (CGNAT, BGP, Anycast, NAT,...) - 47 were due to the requestor seeking to extend their network (new customers, services, data centers, etc) The total number of requests hasn?t really changed after IPv4 "run-out". We can see that COVID-19 impacted the number of requests for conferences/events. These are generally well documented and usually approved. In these cases, the 50% utilisation requirement in the policy helps define the assignment?s size. On the other hand, this requirement, as well as the maximum time limit of one year, can interfere with the approval of requests for research/tests/experiments that are properly documented and within the policy?s scope. The number of rejected requests for research/tests/experiments has increased recently, as the majority were to perform testing or migration in the requester's network or to temporarily extend it. We see that initial applications and objections after rejection often refer to the current text of the policy, which leaves room for different interpretations about the scope of testing. Kind regards, Angela -- Angela Dall'Ara RIPE NCC Policy Officer On 28/01/2022 12:59, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > That look to me as a good approach. > > That will be a good way to handle "really needed" IPv4 experiments, which I don't think are relevant anymore, but I'm happy to support if there are good and needed cases considering the good of the overall community. > > The negative part is the overhead of the panel selection, etc. > > In any case, I'm still for not having temporary delegations of IPv4 for conference, I don't think there is a excuse for that today. > > May be the NCC can tell us, in the last 10 years or so, how many IPv4 temporary assignments have been provided for both, conferences, experiments, and "other" cases (if there have been)? > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > ?El 28/1/22 12:21, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Daniel Karrenberg" escribi?: > > > > I have the strong suspicion that this is another example of trying to > codify special/corner cases. Doing this takes disproportionate amounts > of energy and causes an ever increasing amount of undesired side > effects. > > > > How about giving the RIPE NCC discretion to make sensible decisions > about the corner case ?scientific experiment? after getting advice > from a panel of scientists? > Or delegating the decisions to such a panel? > > This way we could avoid spending energy on codification and avoid the > undesired side effects. We would just need to find a couple of credible > people to review the requests. I expect this to be less work than > codification and re-codification ? > > Daniel > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > > From president at ukraine.su Fri Feb 25 17:23:54 2022 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:23:54 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke Message-ID: Hello All, let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? From sergey at devnull.ru Fri Feb 25 17:27:45 2022 From: sergey at devnull.ru (Sergey Myasoedov) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:27:45 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <115481726.20220225172745@devnull.ru> Hi Max, I hope you're doing well in Kyiv. Do we have any example of such revocation? -- Sergey Friday, February 25, 2022, 5:23:54 PM, you wrote: > let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about > revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Fri Feb 25 17:33:51 2022 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:33:51 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ... I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ... Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" escribi?: Hello All, let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. From Kurt.Kayser at online.de Fri Feb 25 18:07:32 2022 From: Kurt.Kayser at online.de (Kurt Kayser) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:07:32 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> Message-ID: <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey, as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions. Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it. Let's all work together that this stay this way. regards, Kurt Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: > While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ... > > I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ... > > Regards, > Jordi > @jordipalet > > > > ?El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" escribi?: > > Hello All, > > let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about > revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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URL: From gert at space.net Fri Feb 25 18:17:52 2022 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 18:17:52 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation. So, make sure Information can flow. Gert Doering -- just a concerned user -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Fri Feb 25 19:41:02 2022 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 19:41:02 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke Message-ID: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden. If the rest of the world keeps surrendering to his wishes, as we did many times, many governments, even when he perpetrated criminal actions outside his own territory (for example, poisoning in UK, invasion of Crimea, etc.), he will never stop. The Russian population has "accepted" him; they are somehow responsible. If they really wished hard to take him down, there are 150 million of people in the country to take an action and they had many years to do so. I know is very easy to say, not so easy to act, but I'm not talking about a single person acting. He is precisely knowing that we will think "we can't do this because the poor population". People from Russia has been connected to Internet and they know sufficiently how their dictator is acting inside their country and towards the rest of the world. Situation has not changed across the years, and they haven?t reacted. Is time for a strong action from all the possible sides. We have a new "Bin Laden", which is million times much more powerful and if the rest of the world is not acting, we will suffer it sooner or later. If we think twice, economic sanctions will also be bad for the population, and just dust for the dictator. Those economic sanctions will also be bad for the rest of the world. I agree with them. I disagree with offensive military actions, but at the same time we must find as many possible ways to isolate the country and unless in his craziness he pushes the nuclear buttons first (as an offensive action), sooner or later that will create sufficient internal country reactions to topple him. Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other path forward and it will be ideal that voluntarily, until governments that the decision, carriers and ISPs, filter all their traffic, which also could at least in some %, avoid some of the cyber-attacks that are coming from there, which can target not just Ukraine, but any other country. Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation. So, make sure Information can flow. Gert Doering -- just a concerned user -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ********************************************** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. From jan at go6.si Fri Feb 25 20:14:09 2022 From: jan at go6.si (Jan Zorz - Go6) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 20:14:09 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: <1b073016-a4fe-e383-c264-b80a359a008d@go6.si> On 25/02/2022 18:17, Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: >> Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and >> who is responsible for it. >> >> Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut > off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, > and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access > will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of > misinformation. I'm with you, it's not general population's fault for current situation and they should not be cut off from the Internet for that reason. However, I'm terribly concerned that there's no way to prevent majority of operators and transit networks around the world to add new BGP filters, dropping just certain ASNs and prefixes, used by certain government, da? :) ;) Cheers, Jan From leo at vegoda.org Fri Feb 25 20:27:35 2022 From: leo at vegoda.org (Leo Vegoda) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 11:27:35 -0800 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> References: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> Message-ID: Jordi, RIPE Working Groups are forums for professional discussion. They are not forums for advocating political policies. This is a difficult time. Emotions are understandably high. But please keep posts to the Address Policy WG list on the subject of Address Policy and avoid broader political policies. A discussion about the impact of decisions made by governments or others on our Address Policy work is fine as long as we remain professional. Kind regards, Leo Vegoda Address Policy WG Co-Chair On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:41 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden. > > If the rest of the world keeps surrendering to his wishes, as we did many times, many governments, even when he perpetrated criminal actions outside his own territory (for example, poisoning in UK, invasion of Crimea, etc.), he will never stop. > > The Russian population has "accepted" him; they are somehow responsible. If they really wished hard to take him down, there are 150 million of people in the country to take an action and they had many years to do so. I know is very easy to say, not so easy to act, but I'm not talking about a single person acting. > > He is precisely knowing that we will think "we can't do this because the poor population". > > People from Russia has been connected to Internet and they know sufficiently how their dictator is acting inside their country and towards the rest of the world. Situation has not changed across the years, and they haven?t reacted. > > Is time for a strong action from all the possible sides. We have a new "Bin Laden", which is million times much more powerful and if the rest of the world is not acting, we will suffer it sooner or later. > > If we think twice, economic sanctions will also be bad for the population, and just dust for the dictator. Those economic sanctions will also be bad for the rest of the world. I agree with them. > > I disagree with offensive military actions, but at the same time we must find as many possible ways to isolate the country and unless in his craziness he pushes the nuclear buttons first (as an offensive action), sooner or later that will create sufficient internal country reactions to topple him. > > Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other path forward and it will be ideal that voluntarily, until governments that the decision, carriers and ISPs, filter all their traffic, which also could at least in some %, avoid some of the cyber-attacks that are coming from there, which can target not just Ukraine, but any other country. > > > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > > who is responsible for it. > > > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut > off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, > and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access > will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of > misinformation. > > So, make sure Information can flow. > > Gert Doering > -- just a concerned user > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ From thomas at brenac.eu Fri Feb 25 20:42:52 2022 From: thomas at brenac.eu (Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 20:42:52 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: I agree that best way is to ensure information flow and that what we produce as online content is in Russian and Ukrainian. Most people there just do not read foreign languages. So, a bit of effort on our side to translate the vision in Europe into Russian and Ukrainian. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. ?On 25/02/2022 18:18, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" wrote: Hi, On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of misinformation. So, make sure Information can flow. Gert Doering -- just a concerned user -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ From jordi.palet at consulintel.es Fri Feb 25 21:20:44 2022 From: jordi.palet at consulintel.es (JORDI PALET MARTINEZ) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 21:20:44 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: References: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> Message-ID: <7065CFDD-3A35-4A4C-8A7B-604ED7EB8CB2@consulintel.es> Hi Leo, I fully agree with you, however I didn't start it, and it's funny to see one more discrimination in this community, by warning only one of the participants in the discussion. Very illustrative. Saludos, Jordi @jordipalet ?El 25/2/22 20:27, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Leo Vegoda" escribi?: Jordi, RIPE Working Groups are forums for professional discussion. They are not forums for advocating political policies. This is a difficult time. Emotions are understandably high. But please keep posts to the Address Policy WG list on the subject of Address Policy and avoid broader political policies. A discussion about the impact of decisions made by governments or others on our Address Policy work is fine as long as we remain professional. Kind regards, Leo Vegoda Address Policy WG Co-Chair On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 10:41 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden. > > If the rest of the world keeps surrendering to his wishes, as we did many times, many governments, even when he perpetrated criminal actions outside his own territory (for example, poisoning in UK, invasion of Crimea, etc.), he will never stop. > > The Russian population has "accepted" him; they are somehow responsible. If they really wished hard to take him down, there are 150 million of people in the country to take an action and they had many years to do so. I know is very easy to say, not so easy to act, but I'm not talking about a single person acting. > > He is precisely knowing that we will think "we can't do this because the poor population". > > People from Russia has been connected to Internet and they know sufficiently how their dictator is acting inside their country and towards the rest of the world. Situation has not changed across the years, and they haven?t reacted. > > Is time for a strong action from all the possible sides. We have a new "Bin Laden", which is million times much more powerful and if the rest of the world is not acting, we will suffer it sooner or later. > > If we think twice, economic sanctions will also be bad for the population, and just dust for the dictator. Those economic sanctions will also be bad for the rest of the world. I agree with them. > > I disagree with offensive military actions, but at the same time we must find as many possible ways to isolate the country and unless in his craziness he pushes the nuclear buttons first (as an offensive action), sooner or later that will create sufficient internal country reactions to topple him. > > Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other path forward and it will be ideal that voluntarily, until governments that the decision, carriers and ISPs, filter all their traffic, which also could at least in some %, avoid some of the cyber-attacks that are coming from there, which can target not just Ukraine, but any other country. > > > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: > > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > > who is responsible for it. > > > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut > off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, > and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access > will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of > misinformation. > > So, make sure Information can flow. > > Gert Doering > -- just a concerned user > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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From president at ukraine.su Fri Feb 25 22:51:50 2022 From: president at ukraine.su (Max Tulyev) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 23:51:50 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: <096521c8-460d-b626-a5cb-55147831f436@ukraine.su> Hello Kurt, that's why I said about *goverment*, not people in general. 25.02.22 19:07, Kurt Kayser ????: > Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey, > > as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, > or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the > russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these > lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions > against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people > and support the right decisions. > > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > regards, Kurt > > > Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: >> While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ... >> >> I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ... >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> @jordipalet >> >> >> >> ?El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" escribi?: >> >> Hello All, >> >> let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about >> revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? >> >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit:https://mailman.ripe.net/ >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> http://www.theipv6company.com >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. >> >> >> >> > From alexey.shkittin at interlir.com Sat Feb 26 08:44:35 2022 From: alexey.shkittin at interlir.com (Alexey Shkittin) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:44:35 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. Message-ID: *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. Policy Proposal for discussion. Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under Sanctions in EU/US. This is necessary for direct influence on the side subjected to sanctions. This applies in particular to governmental and related organizations. For these purposes, for example, government and related companies of the state subject to sanctions are limited to control and access to Lirportal and Maintainers, and forcefully remove all objects operating under the ASN of these institutions. This will entail the impossibility of the state to carry out activities related to the use of IT technology, the Internet, the spread of propaganda and fakes, including (armies of bots from different IPs, cyber attacks initiated by the state, and much more) Since the RIPE NCC implements the decisions of the RIPE community, it is proposed to introduce a change in the Ripe policy related to the implementation of global and European sanctions. This policy can only be applied to states under sanctions. These states should not be able to obtain and use ASNs and IP addresses for government purposes. Ripe sanctions should not apply to ordinary users, since the total shutdown of all LIRs located inside the state under sanctions will lead to the inevitable transition to an internal network controlled by government services and deprive the population of communication with the outside world and information. *Alexey Shkittin* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gert at space.net Sat Feb 26 10:06:41 2022 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 10:06:41 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US. NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Sat Feb 26 13:05:12 2022 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:05:12 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: <7E90AB7B-31EB-4ED7-91B6-ED9A31E5401F@academ.kiev.ua> > On 25 Feb 2022, at 19:07, Kurt Kayser wrote: > > Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey, > > as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people and support the right decisions. You are totally wrong if you think that Russian people need access to the information or their access to it will help anything. I don't believe that RIPE will revoke anything from Russia. Of course, RIPE is above that, it does not bother by such issues (of course until Russia will knock on your door but now never mind). But do not invent false foundation, please. P.S. They all had access to the information before 24 February this year. Has this helped with anything? > > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > regards, Kurt > > > > Am 25.02.22 um 17:33 schrieb JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg: >> While I will applaud something like that, I don't think we can do it as RIPE community, unless there is any specific legal section in the RSA against countries taking over other countries and then the NCC can make it happen ... >> >> I think such kind of actions, including ordering all the transit providers to shut down links with Russia, can only be taken by the EU, or individual countries at government levels, as part of the sanctions that are being organized. Probably will be the only way to isolate Russia from the rest of the world and avoiding them using also Internet for cyber-criminal actions. They could still try to escape from that using other transit providers, but they will need to hide the ASNs, etc. not so easy from any of the sides that you look at it. May be filtering specific IP ranges, ordered as part of the sanctions against Russia by all the ISPs in each country supporting that ... >> >> Regards, >> Jordi >> @jordipalet >> >> >> >> ?El 25/2/22 17:24, "address-policy-wg en nombre de Max Tulyev" >> >> escribi?: >> >> Hello All, >> >> let's think about sanctions against Russia. What do you think about >> revoking all IPs/ASNs used by Russian goverment? >> >> -- >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: >> https://mailman.ripe.net/ >> >> >> >> >> ********************************************** >> IPv4 is over >> Are you ready for the new Internet ? >> >> http://www.theipv6company.com >> >> The IPv6 Company >> >> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. >> >> >> >> >> > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From tasic at academ.kiev.ua Sat Feb 26 13:09:24 2022 From: tasic at academ.kiev.ua (Taras Heichenko) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:09:24 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> References: <8B98BB71-882F-42B7-8760-90D2EECAEE1C@consulintel.es> Message-ID: <76B493A1-1209-4BB0-A0E6-06325F4DC11F@academ.kiev.ua> Jordi, thank you for the detailed exposition of my thoughts. > On 25 Feb 2022, at 20:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via address-policy-wg wrote: > > The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden. > > If the rest of the world keeps surrendering to his wishes, as we did many times, many governments, even when he perpetrated criminal actions outside his own territory (for example, poisoning in UK, invasion of Crimea, etc.), he will never stop. > > The Russian population has "accepted" him; they are somehow responsible. If they really wished hard to take him down, there are 150 million of people in the country to take an action and they had many years to do so. I know is very easy to say, not so easy to act, but I'm not talking about a single person acting. > > He is precisely knowing that we will think "we can't do this because the poor population". > > People from Russia has been connected to Internet and they know sufficiently how their dictator is acting inside their country and towards the rest of the world. Situation has not changed across the years, and they haven?t reacted. > > Is time for a strong action from all the possible sides. We have a new "Bin Laden", which is million times much more powerful and if the rest of the world is not acting, we will suffer it sooner or later. > > If we think twice, economic sanctions will also be bad for the population, and just dust for the dictator. Those economic sanctions will also be bad for the rest of the world. I agree with them. > > I disagree with offensive military actions, but at the same time we must find as many possible ways to isolate the country and unless in his craziness he pushes the nuclear buttons first (as an offensive action), sooner or later that will create sufficient internal country reactions to topple him. > > Unfortunately, I don't think there is any other path forward and it will be ideal that voluntarily, until governments that the decision, carriers and ISPs, filter all their traffic, which also could at least in some %, avoid some of the cyber-attacks that are coming from there, which can target not just Ukraine, but any other country. > > > Hi, > > On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:07:32PM +0100, Kurt Kayser wrote: >> Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and >> who is responsible for it. >> >> Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > My initial toughts were similar to what was proposed ("let's just cut > off ALL Internet to .RU! That will hurt them!") I have reconsidered, > and now share the opinion that Kurt voiced - cutting off Internet access > will hurt the russian people more, and benefit the spreading of > misinformation. > > So, make sure Information can flow. > > Gert Doering > -- just a concerned user > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > > > ********************************************** > IPv4 is over > Are you ready for the new Internet ? > http://www.theipv6company.com > The IPv6 Company > > This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this communication and delete it. > > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ -- Taras Heichenko tasic at academ.kiev.ua From stary.bezpiecznik at gmail.com Sat Feb 26 13:36:40 2022 From: stary.bezpiecznik at gmail.com (Stary Bezpiek) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 13:36:40 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke In-Reply-To: <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> References: <9C3226EC-A1A4-4F72-A4CB-B0E8A4000003@consulintel.es> <01916723-3cb9-af5a-433b-0dc5b6cc6b26@online.de> Message-ID: <6cdeb083-cdf9-0e38-e5bf-55a01d2c8599@gmail.com> Of course. As part of helping Ukraine, let's also send electric cars to help fight pollution caused by the war. -- Stary bezpiek W dniu 25.02.2022 o?18:07, Kurt Kayser pisze: > > Hello Jordi, Max and Sergey, > > as I fully understand the first reflex to do anything to help Ukraine, > or stop the war, I strongly believe that Internet in general helps the > russian people to get an unfiltered access to the truth. Cutting these > lines does not stop violence. It may justify even more stupid actions > against innocent people. Let's help to get the truth to all the people > and support the right decisions. > > Internet is the fasted and most efficient way to show what happens and > who is responsible for it. > > Let's all work together that this stay this way. > > regards, Kurt > > From thomas at brenac.eu Sat Feb 26 17:35:17 2022 From: thomas at brenac.eu (Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:35:17 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement)'' Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database'' As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter. The report is made quarterly. There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with more impact that the one mentioned in the last report. We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by listed sanctioned individuals). Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy to support... Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on a quarterly basis. Thank you. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. ?On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" wrote: Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US. NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ From mathias.westerlund at wdmab.se Sat Feb 26 19:38:29 2022 From: mathias.westerlund at wdmab.se (Mathias Westerlund) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 19:38:29 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have to say, even tho we are a new entity, we do support the calling of a potential emergency meeting to alteast discuss this. RIPE is an EU entity. We need to be clear on what levels we are following EU sanctions. On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:35 PM Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker via address-policy-wg wrote: > Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially > sanctioned by the EU > (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal > requirement)'' > > > Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 > ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply > with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is > subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database'' > > As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, > publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian > individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE > NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter. > > The report is made quarterly. > > There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on > the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian > entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access > to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with > more impact that the one mentioned in the last report. > > We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and > other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the > RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are > directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by > listed sanctioned individuals). > > Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of > the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. > That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. > Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole > budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy > to support... > > Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on > a quarterly basis. > > > Thank you. > > > ______________________ > Thomas BRENAC > CEO > https://www.brenac.eu > +33686263575 > Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, > Member of AFRINIC. > > > ?On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" < > address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net on behalf of gert at space.net> wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > > Sanctions in EU/US. > > NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU > (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal > requirement). > > See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: > > https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 > > Gert Doering > -- NetMaster > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, > Michael Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. > Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or > change your subscription options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://mailman.ripe.net/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From matthias.merkel at staclar.com Sat Feb 26 19:51:20 2022 From: matthias.merkel at staclar.com (Matthias Merkel) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 18:51:20 +0000 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don?t think the extend of sanctions compliance needs to be discussed. Obviously the RIPE NCC will need to comply with EU sanctions in full. An explanation from RIPE?s legal team on who will be affected may be useful, but I don?t think there would be a lot of value in a meeting as few aspects of this are under the community?s (or the RIPE NCC?s) control. Regarding ?We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days.?, I don?t think this is true. There would be issues where payers or their banks are involved in sanctions, but not for unrelated Russian entities. Matthias Merkel Staclar, Inc. From: address-policy-wg on behalf of Mathias Westerlund Date: Saturday, 26. February 2022 at 19:39 To: Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker Cc: Alexey Shkittin , RIPE Address Policy Working Group , Gert Doering Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. I have to say, even tho we are a new entity, we do support the calling of a potential emergency meeting to alteast discuss this. RIPE is an EU entity. We need to be clear on what levels we are following EU sanctions. On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 5:35 PM Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker via address-policy-wg > wrote: Gert mentioned, '' NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement)'' Indeed, we can see in https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 ''As an organisation based in the Netherlands, the RIPE NCC must comply with EU sanctions. If we believe that a member or other resource holder is subject to EU sanctions, we freeze their resources in the RIPE Database'' As several Russian LIR starting with Yandex (exemple) do have a clear, publicly known, relationship / shareholders with sanctioned Russian individuals and Russian entities, as a LIR member I do suggest that RIPE NCC hold a proper emergency meeting on the matter. The report is made quarterly. There is now a situation of emergency that need a quick due diligence on the application of the EU sanctions on the resources hold by the Russian entities concerned by the EU sanctions, including transfer policy, access to RIPE database and services, routing, RDNS etc etc. and hopefully with more impact that the one mentioned in the last report. We all see the important use of allocated resources for massive DoS and other attacks, RIPE NCC shall support a clear limitation and use of the RIPE NCC services and resources of the Russian, Byelorussian LIRs (that are directly or indirectly , Byelorussian, Russian state owned or owned by listed sanctioned individuals). Side note: We all know now that EU banks will not allow the collection of the 2022 RIPE NCC fees from Russia, and invoices are due in a few days. That is a good reason to freeze the resources a bit faster that usual. Taken into account the number of LIR that could also impact the whole budget for 2022, and I'm not sure the rest of the community will be happy to support... Again, we need to see a quick reaction from RIPE NCC, within days, not on a quarterly basis. Thank you. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. ?On 26/02/2022 10:07, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Gert Doering" on behalf of gert at space.net> wrote: Hi, On Sat, Feb 26, 2022 at 08:44:35AM +0100, Alexey Shkittin wrote: > *Block/Suspend sanctions on address space.* > > Based on events with Russian aggression on Ukrain. > > Policy Proposal for discussion. > > Update RIPE NCC policy in according to be able suspend management of > internet resource numbers in RIPE NCC database of the countries under > Sanctions in EU/US. NCC already does this - if a country is officially sanctioned by the EU (it can not opt to not-do this, anyway, if there is a legal requirement). See here, for example, for the Q1 2022 sanctions transparency report: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-776 Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From randy at psg.com Sat Feb 26 20:05:07 2022 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 11:05:07 -0800 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it would help me at least if folk giving legal opinions could make clear in what juristriction they are an actual lawyer? thanks. randy From thomas at brenac.eu Sat Feb 26 20:45:01 2022 From: thomas at brenac.eu (Thomas Brenac IPv4 Broker) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 20:45:01 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A8ED59-97BD-4D4E-9FC2-2D377A92FFDC@brenac.eu> None of us I guess, but most of us do have legal teams aside and the point is more to ensure that RIPE NCC do activate the application of the EU sanctions that apply to the Russian state at large rather to discuss the legality of the actual situation. Again, the main point is to ensure the speedy management of the current issue by RIPE NCC in line with its policies and the EU positions, not forgetting that we are here facing an unforeseen situation that will impact the whole RIPE NCC members community, both on a financial, ethical and technical point of view. It could have been a topic for the Roundtable meeting for Governments but it was on the 22nd, a bit too early. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/roundtable/roundtable-meeting-for-governments-europe Again I do ask RIPE NCC to urgently, with the relevant internal teams, do create an emergency task force to ensure in a swiftly manner its compliance with the EU positions. Being here a bit proactive. ______________________ Thomas BRENAC CEO https://www.brenac.eu +33686263575 Registered IPv4 Broker by RIPE NCC, ARIN, APNIC and LACNIC, Member of AFRINIC. ?On 26/02/2022 20:06, "address-policy-wg on behalf of Randy Bush" wrote: it would help me at least if folk giving legal opinions could make clear in what juristriction they are an actual lawyer? thanks. randy -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/ From randy at psg.com Sat Feb 26 21:11:31 2022 From: randy at psg.com (Randy Bush) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 12:11:31 -0800 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Block/Suspend sanctions on address space. In-Reply-To: <45A8ED59-97BD-4D4E-9FC2-2D377A92FFDC@brenac.eu> References: <45A8ED59-97BD-4D4E-9FC2-2D377A92FFDC@brenac.eu> Message-ID: > Again, the main point is to ensure the speedy management of the > current issue by RIPE NCC in line with its policies and the EU > positions knowing the ncc and its legal team a bit, i am confident they are doing so. not being a lawyer myself, my opinion on how and what they should do is not worth any pixels. [ fwiw, i taught in kyiv in the mid-'90s, am horrified for ukra?na and all of eastern europe and the world. as we, amerika, are demonstrating with trump, there are few animals as dangerous as a delusional wounded megalomaniac. ] randy From den.rlir at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 09:25:54 2022 From: den.rlir at gmail.com (Den) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 10:25:54 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke Message-ID: <16dbf3c4-c28c-b446-6353-c66ecc37b2c6@gmail.com> Hi Taras, Leo, Jordi, Kurt, Saludos, Max, Sergey, Jan, Gert, Thomas, Stary! from recent posts we can see that the problem persists and it can be just ignored, and from the recent post, a very detailed explanation: > The problem is that Russia is under the control of a criminal dictator and a crazy one. He is just looking for a worldwide nuclear conflict, clearly. According to the news, now he just threatened Finland and Sweden. the keyword is "news", i mean fake news, and broadcasting agencies, television and related government structures should be suspended from the whole internet. It's a kind of abuse, but you know if you will send them, they'll just ignore. The ones who can do such things is only our community, community of thinking people that wants freedom in the Internet without such dictatorship resources. Guys I'm asking you to help real thinking russian people to prevent dictator's media posting and broadcasting fake news to the Internet! And here we, our community can help a lot, because we are the core of the Internet, actually we have rights! In case you do not want to officially suspend or freeze their peering/ASNs/routes you know how to create some technical incidents and fix them for a long time.. :) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there a list of ASNs/IPs? ;) Cheers, Jan From den.rlir at gmail.com Mon Feb 28 16:03:35 2022 From: den.rlir at gmail.com (Den) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 17:03:35 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] RU goverment IP revoke Message-ID: Hi Jan, Thanks for your time, looks like other's are too busy or already at the basement / under attack.. Here's what I've found: AS8291????? The Federal Guard Service of the Russian Federation / Main Division of Informations Resources / kremlin.ru, etc. AS43797???? The Federal Guard Service of the Russian Federation AS42121???? The Federal Guard Service of the Russian Federation AS48552???? OJSC The Russian Armed Forces Broadcasting Company ZVEZDA AS57767???? Federal State-owned Enterprise Russian Television and Radio Broadcasting Network AS57352???? Federal State Unitary Enterprise Rossiya Segodnya International Information Agency AS57107???? Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Russian Satellite Communication Company" AS57767???? Federal State-owned Enterprise Russian Television and Radio Broadcasting Network AS59541???? Federal State-owned Enterprise "Russian Television and Radio Broadcasting Network" AS44479???? Federal State Unitary Enterprise Rossiya Segodnya International Information Agency AS25292???? Federal State Unitary Enterprise "The Russian Television and Radio Broadcasting Company" AS211382??? Federal State Unitary Enterprise of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour "Russian Broad-casting and AS208075??? Federal State Unitary Enterprise of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour "Russian Broad-casting and AS201030??? Federal state unitary enterprise "Public corporation for organisation of air traffic in Russian Fede AS198372??? Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Television Technical Center "Ostankino" AS197969??? Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Morsviazsputnik" AS197553??? Federal state unitary enterprise 'State Research Institute of Aviation Systems' AS197150??? Federal State Unitary Enterprise of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour "Russian Broad-casting and AS196641??? Federal Unitary State Enterprise General Radio Freqency Centre AS57724 DDOS-GUARD THAT HIDES RT.COM and others russian's broadcasting companies .... (This list can be much longer, it's from my quick research) Guys, who read, please help us, please make some unexpected failures, anyway you know what to do. *Let's make our work Now!* Thanks for all of you guys, we all want Internet with freedom and without dictatorship! Love and peace for all of you guys! -- Cheers, Den -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: