[address-policy-wg] IPv4 waiting list policy
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Gert Doering
gert at space.net
Tue Dec 7 18:31:13 CET 2021
Hi, On Tue, Dec 07, 2021 at 06:25:21PM +0100, denis walker wrote: > Many years ago I questioned why we ever invented a market for address > space 'that no one owns' when we had a perfectly good system of > allocating address space based on need and when no longer needed was > returned to the RIR to be re-allocated...for free. I was told 'don't > be silly, people will still sell the address space but not record the > transfers in the RIPE Database'. So the quality of the registry > diminishes. What is going to stop people selling these 'never to be > transferred' allocations and not recording the transfer in the RIPE > Database? I am sure some back door dealings can be arranged to keep > the LIRs active that have the allocations registered and obfuscate the > fee payments to confuse the RIPE NCC. Have companies developed some > sense of morality in recent years? If the LIR fee is still to be paid, this is commercially not very attractive - and as such, should stop the business model "open a LIR, get a /24 for <x> EUR, sell it for <5*x>" nicely. Note that we always acknowledged the need for a block of addresses to "change hands", by mergers & acquisition. Having a formal transfer policy was basically just accepting that people would hide this in a company sale otherwise. My proposal is actually to disallow transfers *including* disallowing M&A transfers on these. It MUST stay in the LIR it was requested by, and if the LIR closes, it MUST be returned. Buying a "company with the LIR" would still be possible, of course (and I do not see a way to disallow this, it's like MS trying to disallow selling used windows licenses), but "... and then transferring, and closing the LIR" would not. Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 833 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20211207/6eb979f8/attachment.sig>
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