[address-policy-wg] PA ??? life after death
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Maxim A Piskunov
ffamax at gmail.com
Wed Mar 6 22:23:45 CET 2019
Hello, Gert! LIR allocate from their PA some network to end-user. Even LIR will be closed, why end-user should lose allocated resources? What did end-user do wrong? Why end-user should lost allocated resources? As you wrote: "usually: (1) non-payment, (2) lying to the NCC, or (3) getting convicted of criminal activity" 1. End-user may initiate payment via temporary (substitutional) for allocated resources - it's not a reason for resources recall. 2.1 LIR lying to the NCC - ok. Close LIR but pass used resources to another LIR, why not? Who invented recall and for what? For pain? 2.2 End-user lying to LIR (but check passed) and as result LIR lying to NCC - yes, we can recall end-user resources, but only lying end-users. Not all resources of LIR. 3. Criminal activity should not impact end-users who did not do anything criminal. Current policy do not protect end-users. LIR - it's just like an administrator. We can fire administrator but current policy respectively destroy building where administrator has worked. On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 23:22, Gert Doering <gert at space.net> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Mar 06, 2019 at 10:42:17AM +0300, Maxim A Piskunov wrote: > > As I understand "NetUP Ltd." will loose their PA-addresses if LIR status > > will not recovered and customers will should renumbering their networks. > > I have one simple question: why not specified procedure of keeping > > originally allocated addresses for case when LIR-status under > cancellation > > and LIR can't transfer PA to another LIR. > > Or I miss something and chance to keep addresses is exists? > > If I can keep my addresses even if I do not fulfill my contractual > obligations to the NCC ("pay my bill, do not lie, etc.") - why should > I do that, then? > > Resources can only be kept while the LIR is not closed, and that will > not happen unless there is good reason (usually: non-payment, lying > to the NCC, or getting convicted of criminal activity). > > Gert Doering > -- APWG chair > -- > have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael > Emmer > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20190307/8d9b9d0a/attachment.html>
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