[address-policy-wg] opposition to 2015-04
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Elvis Daniel Velea
elvis at velea.eu
Mon May 30 00:55:50 CEST 2016
Hi Erik, On 5/30/16 1:45 AM, Erik Bais wrote: > > Hi Elvis, > > I oppose to your word choice that we are trying to sneak something in, > with this policy. > > As stated during the discussion at the AP, a change to the holdership > will to fall under the same restrictions as the transfers currently, > that was pointed out AND discussed since version 1. > that was my mistake, I was sure I had pointed it out in an older e-mail.. can't find it so it probably never made it to the list and was in draft status forever :) > > If a company is currently doing a M&A after that particular company > has become a (new) LIR since 6 months, it means it needs to keep the > LIR open for another 18 months.. > > For any M&A, the cost for a membership fee of 18 months will not be a > deal breaker for an actual business take-over … unless one is trying > to game the system. > well, this is what I was opposing to. However, after further discussions offline, I no longer think this is quite such a bad idea. So, I no longer oppose. > > To give an indication, the damage of a diner with 7 people at the > MASH Penthouse at the RIPE72 venue can be more expensive ... > you never invited me there... I would've wanted to see the proof. > > Thanks for the feedback. > so, +1 to the proposal. cheers, elvis > > Regards, > > Erik Bais > > *Van:*address-policy-wg [mailto:address-policy-wg-bounces at ripe.net] > *Namens *Elvis Daniel Velea > *Verzonden:* woensdag 25 mei 2016 10:28 > *Aan:* address-policy-wg at ripe.net > *Onderwerp:* Re: [address-policy-wg] opposition to 2015-04 > > Dears, > > as mentioned during the policy session, I am opposing to this (version > of) the policy proposal. > > While I was sure that I did voice this concern over the mailing list, > I can not find the e-mail now. But I am sure I did voice this concern > and the opposition at previous RIPE Meeting(s). > As long as this proposal adds the 2 years holding period of scarce > resources moved through M&As (which are 'regulated' through a RIPE NCC > procedure) I will oppose to it. > > I am not going to go into examples wars of why some company would want > to transfer/move/merge/etc.. resources within a 2 years period. While > I agree that transfers should have a holding (or call it anti-flip) > period and I even proposed 2015-01 (which is now part of policy), I do > not agree that we should include M&As in the same bucket. > > If a new version of this policy proposal would be only about transfers > of IP addresses, and not try to sneak in M&As into the same document, > I would agree with it. > > my 2 cents, > elvis > > On 5/25/16 9:52 AM, Remco van Mook wrote: > > Dear all, > > as just mentioned during the address policy session, I'm withdrawing my objection to 2015-04. While I do think a discussion about policy structure still needs to be held, I don't think it should hold up this proposal any longer. This can be fixed after adoption - as long as we're aware. > > I do maintain my suggestion to put references in place where chapters about transfers are removed from other sections of policy. > > Kind regards, > > Remco > > -- > > <http://v4escrow.net> > > > > > Elvis Daniel Velea > > > Chief Executive Officer > > E-mail:elvis at V4Escrow.net <mailto:elvis at V4Escrow.net> > Mobile: +1 (702) 970 0921 > > Recognised IPv4 Broker/Facilitator in: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20160530/851c69b0/attachment.html> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 5043 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20160530/851c69b0/attachment.png> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 193 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20160530/851c69b0/attachment-0001.png> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 12287 bytes Desc: not available URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/attachments/20160530/851c69b0/attachment-0002.png>
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