[address-policy-wg] 2016-03 Discussion Period extended until 15 July 2016 (Locking Down the Final /8 Policy)

Hi,

On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 05:02:50PM +0200, Riccardo Gori wrote:
> 
> Il 18/06/2016 14:49, Gert Doering ha scritto:
> > hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 10:49:59PM +0200, Riccardo Gori wrote:
> >> I am strongly against to every proposal that higher the disvlaantage to
> >> already disvantaged new and future pyers (LIRs after 09/2012)
> > This proposal actually will only disadvantage "young LIRs" if they want
> > to do stuff with their /22 that is frowned upon by the community - namely,
> > trade, instead of "use for
> This would disvantage every LIR that received or will reiceve an 
> ad-normal PA allocation.

You keep repeating this, which does not make it more true.

Please explain how this proposal would affect a LIR that intends to use
the /22 to number its customers (and/or its own infrastructure), and is not
intending to sell off the address space as quickly as possible to make a
quick profit.

> Please leave the idea of ab-normal LIRs.

This is not an "idea" but observed behaviour by a few bad actors.

[..]
> Nobody protects new LIRs speculator stockpile /22 in a zero cost 
> company/person without network or assignements and black sell it the 
> same day it has been allocated
> with a private contract registered elsewhere from RIPE database.
> This policy is useless. Audit and control is useful, transparency is a 
> must we discussed it at last general

This paragraph does not make sense.

Yes, people can get a /22 and "black sell it", even with 2016-01 - but
the risk for the buyer is much higher than getting a "white" /22 on the
address market, because the seller has to keep open the LIR forever in 
this case - and if the LIR is ever closed, the /22 has to be returned to
the RIPE NCC.   So why should a buyer take this risk?

Gert Doering
        -- APWG chair
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