[address-policy-wg] Fwd: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE Policy Proposals - April Update

Hi Sergiu,

thank you for your reply. I don't get if you disagree with current 
policy or proposed one.
Anyway:
The LIR that assisgned or allocated  the first /22 to your current new 
LIR can transfert the space once 24 months are passed.
This is the holding time before a transfert can take place standing on 
current policies.
2015-05 policy proposal won't change this aspect.


kind regards

Riccardo


Il 30/04/2016 11:29, Sergiu IANCIUC ha scritto:
> Re[2]: [address-policy-wg] Fwd: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE Policy 
> Proposals - April Update
>
> salut Riccardo,
>
>
> I do not totally agree with you.. and I explain why.
>
>
> you are talking about the case in the future.. but I give an actual 
> example..
>
>
> 2 years ago my company has an allocated prefix from a LIR. After 1 
> year we asked additional resources and had a negative response because 
> of the RIPE Policy limitations. after the next year the situation was 
> the same and to receive an additional prefix we became LIR. Now, pls 
> answer... why to not permit transfer from the old LIR to the new one 
> if they agree on it and do it for ensure the new LIR in continuity of 
> the prefix use (all this with condition that this prefix was allocated 
> by the old LIR when the new LIR has the status OTHER).
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>
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> Best Regards,
>
>
> -
>
> Sergiu IANCIUC
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> Saturday, April 30, 2016, 8:33:49 AM, you wrote:
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> Dear Sergiu,
>
> about your example and its eventual realtionship with the proposal 
> 2015-05:
>
> Company X would have not limit in receive address space as described 
> in transfert or allocation policies.
>
> The limit described in 2015-05 would be applied to the LIR that 
> assigned space to Company X and, as described in your example, later 
> transfered the space in Company X registry.
>
> This LIR is supposed to not need address space as it moved it outside 
> its registry so it would not be able to request an additional /22 
> allocation from pool outside 185/8 standing on 2015-05 proposal
>
>
> On the other hand if Company X after its sing up as a new LIR after 18 
> months need more space and there is enough space outside 185/8  would 
> be able to request an additional /22 standing on  2015-05 proposal. 
> The LIR that offered the first /22 to Company X as  "assigned 
> resource" could also request an additional /22 allocation if its 
> registry is holding less than a /20 IPv4.
>
>
> hope this help
>
> regards
>
> Riccardo
>
>
> Il 29/04/2016 10:38, Sergiu IANCIUC ha scritto:
>
> hello,
>
>
> PLS, take in consideration the situation
>
>
> Company  X  has  a  /22 from its LIR. The LIR can not offer more IPv4
>
> spaces   and the Company X becomes a LIR to satisfy its needs. Now, it
>
> is logical that the LIR (if agreed between these 2 LIRs) transfers the
>
> space  allocated  to the Company X (now the new LIR) AND THIS have to
>
> not be the part from the policy -
>
>
> "requirements,  such  as  the LIR has not transferred any IPv4 address
>
> space before."
>
>
> What are you thinking about?
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> -
>
> Sergiu IANCIUC
>
> SC ITNS.NET SRL
>
>
>
> MD-2068, Moldova
>
> or. Chisinau, str. Miron Costin 3/1
>
> tel.: +373 22 877 877
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> This is a forwarded message
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> From: Marco Schmidt <mschmidt at ripe.net> <mailto:mschmidt at ripe.net>
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> To: ncc-announce at ripe.net <mailto:ncc-announce at ripe.net>
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> Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 11:18:23 AM
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> Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE Policy Proposals - April Update
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> ===8<==============Original message text===============
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> Dear colleagues,
>
>
> Here is our monthly overview of open policy proposals and their stage in
>
> the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP).
>
>
> If you wish to join the discussion about a particular proposal, please
>
> do so on the relevant working group mailing list.
>
>
> Proposals Open for Discussion:
>
> 2015-05, "Revision of Last /8 Allocation Criteria"
>
>
> Proposals Awaiting Input:
>
> 2015-04, "RIPE Resource Transfer Policies"
>
> 2016-01, "Include Legacy Internet Resource Holders in the Abuse-c Policy"
>
>
>
> Proposal Overviews:
>
>
> PROPOSAL: 2015-05, "Revision of Last /8 Allocation Criteria"
>
> OVERVIEW: Aims to allow LIRs to request an additional /22 IPv4
>
> allocation from the RIPE NCC every 18 months. The latest version of the
>
> proposal suggests several requirements, such as the LIR cannot hold more
>
> than a /20 IPv4, must document their IPv6 deployment and has not
>
> transferred any IPv4 address space before.
>
> STATUS: Discussion Phase
>
> WHERE TO COMMENT: Address Policy Working Group: 
> address-policy-wg at ripe.net <mailto:address-policy-wg at ripe.net>
>
> DEADLINE: 13 May 2016
>
> FULL PROPOSAL: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-05
>
>
> =====
>
>
> The following proposals are awaiting input before they can go any
>
> further in the PDP.
>
>
> PROPOSAL: 2015-04, "RIPE Resource Transfer Policies"
>
> OVERVIEW: Aims to create a single transfer policy with all relevant
>
> information on the transfer of Internet number resources, replacing text
>
> in several RIPE Policies. The proposal also introduces a 24-month
>
> holding period for IPv4 addresses and 16-bit ASNs after any change of
>
> holdership.
>
> RIPE NCC IMPACT ANALYSIS: Includes the point how the 24-month holding
>
> period for scarce resources will be applied.
>
> STATUS: Review Phase – Awaiting decision from working group chair
>
> FULL PROPOSAL: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2015-04
>
>
> PROPOSAL: 2016-01, "Include Legacy Internet Resource Holders in the
>
> Abuse-c Policy"
>
> OVERVIEW: Aims for a mandatory abuse contact for Legacy Internet
>
> Resource holders in the RIPE Database.
>
> STATUS: Discussion Phase – Awaiting decision from proposer
>
> FULL PROPOSAL: https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2016-01
>
>
>
> The RIPE NCC provides an overview of current RIPE Policy Proposals on 
> www.ripe.net 
> <http://www.ripe.net>:https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/current-proposals/current-policy-proposals
>
>
> We look forward to your involvement in the PDP.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Marco Schmidt
>
> RIPE Policy Development Officer
>
> RIPE NCC
>
>
>
>
> ===8<===========End of original message text===========
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