[address-policy-wg] address-policy-wg Digest, Vol 45, Issue 8

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Someone has made the comments on this article from ripe labs. Any comments from the community?  How can this kind of thing happen in the ripe? Prior to the ripe depletion,  it is even hard for my org to apply for a /19. Now my org can only apply for a /22!

So as to keep low profile to have  Lu Heng’s IPs sold. He had created another shell named Wuhan Yunwaiheng Information Technology Co., Ltd registered in Wuhan, Hubei Province of China ( its Chinese name is:武汉云外恒信息技术有限公司).  And then have  his  IPs sold under this new shell without attracting too much attentions from the RIPE community.  He has earned more than 4millions USD for selling his IPs. By the way, cos of this business structure, he can avoid heaps of taxes which should be paid to Netherland Gov and Overseas Gov.

Rijksuniversiteit Groningen  ( this is where Lu heng graduated)   

31.201.0.0/16   2011-04-28  PA   SOLD
AS35916 (US）

37.222.0.0/15     PA    SOLD
AS16276 （ovh, France） ;AS35916

46.136.0.0/16  PA  SOLD
AS8312（kpn Netherland）;AS35916

5.132.0.0/16 2012-07-12   PA ( Split for sales） /17 left for future sale
AS35916

5.224.0.0/15  2012-09-06  SOLD
AS35916

178.236.224.0/20  PA  Still available for Sale
AS16276

Lu Heng still has  /17 +/20 left available for Sale in RIPE and one aggregated  
Afrinic 154.80.0.0/12 ( Currently in Rental business).

The Business structure of OutsideHeaven:

The main Body of OutsideHeaven was registered in Tax heaven place ( Netherland).  
Then come the lower Body OutsideHeaven Hangzhou ( registered in Zhejiang Province of China) and the other lower Body Wuhan Yunwaiheng Information Technology ( registered in Hubei Province of China). Under this kind of structure, the company of Lu Heng has avoided to pay the taxes he should pay to the Chinese Government.  

His main Body registration info:

His shell company’s registration info written in holland language. However, you can use google translate to understand. Please note this company does not pay any tax in Holland and in China.  

Online inzage uittreksel

KvK-nummer 01133738
Deze inschrijving valt onder beheer van Kamer van Koophandel Noord-Nederland

Onderneming
Handelsnamen
OutsideHeaven
AnytimeChinese
Voor Altijd
Rechtsvorm
Eenmanszaak
Startdatum onderneming
26-06-2008
Activiteiten
SBI-code: 620102 - Ontwikkelen en produceren van maatwerksoftware
SBI-code: 6203 - Beheer van computerfaciliteiten
Werkzame personen
0

Vestiging
Vestigingsnummer
000005125421
Handelsnamen
OutsideHeaven
AnytimeChinese
Voor Altijd
Bezoekadres
Esdoornlaan 656, 9741MH Groningen
Telefoonnummer
0641734323
Internetadressen
www.anytimechinese.com (http://www.anytimechinese.com)
www.anytimechinese.net (http://www.anytimechinese.net)
E-mailadres
info at anytimechinese.com (mailto:info at anytimechinese.com)
Datum vestiging
26-06-2008
Activiteiten
SBI-code: 620102 - Ontwikkelen en produceren van maatwerksoftware
SBI-code: 6203 - Beheer van computerfaciliteiten
Webdesign. Het exploiteren van een informatieve website. Het geven van informatie over China aan ondernemers. De export van online gamecards. Het beheren van computernetwerken. ICT dienstverlening. Beheren van ICT infrastructuur.
Werkzame personen
0

Eigenaar
Naam
Lu, Heng
Geboortedatum en -plaats
01-09-1988, Onbekend, China
Adres
Esdoornlaan 656, 9741MH Groningen
Datum in functie
26-06-2008

One of His Chinese Dummy Corporation named 杭州云外恒网络技术有限公司 in Chinese／English name: outside heaven
If you look at its websites, there is no update since 2013 http://www.outsideheaven.com/zh-cn/news
You can search the company registration info via link http://122.224.75.235:7082/wsdjpt/

The other of his Chinese Dummy Corporation named Wuhan Yunwaiheng Information Technology Co., Ltd registered in Wuhan, Hubei Province of China ( its Chinese name is:武汉云外恒信息技术有限公司)
You can search the company registration info via link http://gssoso.whhd.gov.cn/dhb/index.html

Ironically, a Clever Chinese guy without “Euro blood” can be "smart Enough" to have as many RIPE IPs as he can.  

On Saturday, May 9, 2015 at 2:55 AM, address-policy-wg-request at ripe.net (mailto:address-policy-wg-request at ripe.net) wrote:

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> To: address-policy-wg at ripe.net (mailto:address-policy-wg at ripe.net)
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> * Dan L?dtke <mail at danrl.de (mailto:mail at danrl.de)> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
> > See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy and
> > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a
> > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,
> > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to
> > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability
> > of IP addresses.
> >  
>  
>  
> Dan,
>  
> if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more
> fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still
> people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a
> market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
>  
> Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4
> it will still be around for some time.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Sebastian
>  
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> Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:
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> "...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes,
> let's break
> IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even
> good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken
> internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might
> lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it
> today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is
> going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why
> screw it up for new entrants?..."
>  
> Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on
> IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.
>  
>  
> Remco
>  
> (no hats)
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian at karotte.org (mailto:sebastian at karotte.org)>
> wrote:
>  
> > * Dan L?dtke <mail at danrl.de (mailto:mail at danrl.de)> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
> > > See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy and
> > > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a
> > > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,
> > > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to
> > > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability
> > > of IP addresses.
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > Dan,
> >  
> > if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more
> > fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still
> > people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a
> > market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
> >  
> > Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4
> > it will still be around for some time.
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Sebastian
> >  
> > --
> > GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)
> > 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE
> > SCYTHE.
> > -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
> >  
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> On May 8, 2015, at 9:40 AM, remco van mook <remco.vanmook at gmail.com (mailto:remco.vanmook at gmail.com)<mailto:remco.vanmook at gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Three years and one day ago, I wrote on this very list:
>  
>  
> "...Personally I'm rather sick and tired of hearing people say 'yes, let's break IPv4 so we all MUST move to IPv6'. If you think this is good policy or even good engineering, please think again. It will make us end up with a broken internet that, surprise, we won't be managing any more. Breaking IPv4 might lead to increased IPv6 adoption, but not on the internet as we know it today. Everybody who wants to connect his organisation to the internet is going to need at least some IPv4 address space for the time being, so why screw it up for new entrants?..."
>  
> Whether this is about reinventing final /8 or about people making money on IPv4 transfers does not make one jot of a difference.
>  
>  
> Remco
>  
> (no hats)
>  
>  
> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 1:54 PM Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian at karotte.org (mailto:sebastian at karotte.org)<mailto:sebastian at karotte.org>> wrote:
> * Dan L?dtke <mail at danrl.de (mailto:mail at danrl.de)<mailto:mail at danrl.de>> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
> > See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy and
> > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a
> > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,
> > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to
> > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability
> > of IP addresses.
> >  
>  
>  
> Dan,
>  
> if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more
> fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still
> people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a
> market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
>  
> Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4
> it will still be around for some time.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Sebastian
>  
> --
> GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)
> 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.
> -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
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> To: Sebastian Wiesinger <sebastian at karotte.org (mailto:sebastian at karotte.org)>,
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> Subject: Re: [address-policy-wg] New on RIPE Labs: IPv4 Transfers in
> the RIPE NCC Service Region
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> If there was a magical wand that we could wave to make every ISP switch on IPv6 the problems with IPv4 pricing etc., would vanish.
> Unfortunately it doesn?t exist.
> Pushing IPv6 adoption is commendable, but we have to be realistic. IPv4 won?t vanish anytime soon.  
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>  
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> On 08/05/2015 12:54, "Sebastian Wiesinger" <sebastian at karotte.org (mailto:sebastian at karotte.org)> wrote:
>  
> > * Dan L?dtke <mail at danrl.de (mailto:mail at danrl.de)> [2015-05-08 11:33]:
> > > See, we can not win this games. Let?s stop wasting energy and
> > > resources on dealing with legacy IP and how to make it work for a
> > > bit longer. New entrants are entering are market that is not fair,
> > > and we can not make a real difference. The only way forward is to
> > > push IPv6 and restore a healthy climate regarding the availability
> > > of IP addresses.
> > >  
> >  
> >  
> > Dan,
> >  
> > if you don't want to invest your time trying to make this market more
> > fair by all means go ahead and do something else. There are still
> > people here who would like to try so that new players can enter a
> > market that will be dominated by IPv4 for some time to come.
> >  
> > Most people here are pushing IPv6 but as much as you want to bury IPv4
> > it will still be around for some time.
> >  
> > Regards
> >  
> > Sebastian
> >  
> > --  
> > GPG Key: 0x93A0B9CE (F4F6 B1A3 866B 26E9 450A 9D82 58A2 D94A 93A0 B9CE)
> > 'Are you Death?' ... IT'S THE SCYTHE, ISN'T IT? PEOPLE ALWAYS NOTICE THE SCYTHE.
> > -- Terry Pratchett, The Fifth Elephant
> >  
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