[address-policy-wg] *FIREWALL-SPAM ALERT* Re: 2015-01 New Policy Proposal (Alignment ofTransfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations)

Hello,
Thank you Sander for the info.
I looked into it. Indeed it was a long discussion.

Only one point:
As you can see, at the time of suggestion of that proposal, there were NO 
opposing arguments ( according to available data at that time. )
Now there are new data, specially some experiments with re-allocation of 
address spaces through selling/buying them.

Is it possible to re-activate, or re-consider previously approved policies?

Because of this policy for re-allocating address spaces through 
selling/buying, now we see a very HOT bazar and
many are making money with it, while none of us ( I mean LIRs ) have paid 
for any particular address spaces to RIPE NCC. This is
easily driving people to lie ( make a new LIR, get some IPs, sell it .... 
and again and again )

Kind Regards,
Saeed.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sander Steffann
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 4:35 PM
To: Saeed Khademi
Cc: address-policy-wg at ripe.net Working Group
Subject: *FIREWALL-SPAM ALERT* Re: [address-policy-wg] 2015-01 New Policy 
Proposal (Alignment ofTransfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations)

Hello Saeed,

> Now, isn't it possible, that RIPE NCC develops a policy ( maybe there 
> one ) to take back these advertised address spaces ?
> because their initial criteria is not valid any more ? ( obviously  those 
> organization, do not need these address spaces. )
>
> I can understand LEASING some IPs for some period of time, but I can't 
> understand selling them.

We (this working group) had that discussion in 2007 when policy proposal 
2007-08 was introduced. At the time it was decided that reallocation 
(transfers) were a better / more viable solution than trying to reclaim 
unused addresses. Please take a look at the mailing list archives to see how 
the discussion went. It was a quite long discussion.

Proposal 2007-08: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2007-08
Mailing list archive: 
https://www.ripe.net/search?SearchableText=2007-08&portal_type%3Alist=Message

Cheers,
Sander