[address-policy-wg] 2014-05 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of Internet Resources)

On Oct 15, 2014, at 1:10 AM, Tore Anderson <tore at fud.no> wrote:

> ...
> 2) Assuming the previous point is handled, there is an additional
> concern that if 2014-05 passes, it will cause ARIN to declare that
> APNIC's policy is no longer compatible. It wasn't entirely clear to me
> if they though this would happen instantaneously (by ARIN-the-RIR, not
> the community), or if they were worried that the ARIN community would
> react by changing their policies to make them incompatible.
> 
> - The instantaneous alternative does strike me as somewhat far fetched,
> considering that ARIN has already deemed APNIC's policy to be
> «reciprocal, compatible, needs-based», and the fact that 2014-05 doesn't
> change a single word in neither ARIN's nor APNIC's policy documents.
> That said, obviously I can't know for certain if 2014-04 could possibly
> cause such an instantaneous change in how ARIN interprets APNIC's policy
> text. Maybe John could chime in?

Per <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2014-05>, section
"Compatibility with other RIRs" - 

>...
> The following statement has been received from APNIC and ARIN:
>
> “After consulting with both ARIN and APNIC, the two RIRs have confirmed how 
> ARIN policy requires ‘needs based’, explicitly stated, policy principals to 
> be in place to allow for inter-RIR resource transfers, and that APNIC’s has 
> the same needs based principles explicitly stated in its policy document. 
> RIPE policy document ripe-622 (paragraph 5.1, sub 3), addresses a needs base 
> in an implicit manner. It is therefore not possible for the APNIC secretariat 
> to interpret this and take a position. The APNIC secretariat indicates that
> it will consult their community in order to get guidance on how to proceed.  
> ARIN staff notes that the lack of a specific needs-based requirement in the 
> RIPE policy document will prevent the policy from being deemed compatible 
> with ARIN's Inter-RIR transfer policy requirements to the RIPE region 
> (although its adoption will have no effect on Inter-RIR transfers between 
> ARIN and the APNIC region.)”

> - The other alternative, where 2014-05's passing would prompt the ARIN
> community to change their policy document so that APNIC<->ARIN transfers
> are no longer possible, does seems more plausible, yet somewhat
> speculative as we have no idea whether the ARIN community cares about
> 2014-05 at all and if so what they think about it.

Indeterminate. The existence of RIPE 2014-05 was raised last week during the 
ARIN 34 meeting, and I noted the ARIN staff determination on this matter (that
APNIC's inter-RIR transfer policy remains compatible with ARIN policy if RIPE 
2014-05 is adopted by the RIPE community.) The ARIN community is aware that 
they would need to propose some change to ARIN's Inter-RIR transfer policy 
if another outcome is desired.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN

p.s. The RIPE and APNIC RIR policy development staff should be thanked for
     their foresight in researching this topic in advance, and arranging 
     for the very coherent "Compatibility with other RIRs" section in the
     RIPE 2014-05 Impact Analysis...  thanks!  :-)