[address-policy-wg] About the /22 allocation limitation

* Dpto. Datos Television Costa Blanca

> Isnt unequal right now? Are you saying is equal LIRs with thousands and
> thousands of IP address when there are LIRs with only a /22? Is equal
> that the LIRs with thousands can make lot of money from LIRs with only a
> /22?

Depends on how you look at it. It is unequal in the sense that everyone
doesn't have an equal amount. It is on the other hand equal in the sense
that everyone had an equal opportunity to apply for IP addresses at any
given time. In any case, it is what it is. There is no point crying over
spilt milk.

> Its so hard to prove you need more IPs?

That's not the problem with your proposal, the problem is to conjure up
the IPv4 addresses required to fulfill the proven need of all the LIRs
in the region, existing and future. The addresses simply do not exist,
and no amount of policy proposals can change that.

> Thats could be a possibility, but again giving IP space to all the ones
> ask for it, in my honest opinion, will produce the same problem we have
> now.

But isn't this exactly what you are proposing to do - let everyone ask
for more IPv4 addresses according to whatever they need?

> Im not saying to give more space to everyone. Please consider isnt the
> same LIRs with thousands and thousands of IP space and LIRs with only a
> /22

So are you saying that only LIRs that are holding a /22 (or less) will
be allowed to request more space, under your proposed new policy?

In other words, an LIR that holds, say, a /21, will not be eligible to
apply? Or one that held a /22, and then requested and received a /24
from your new pool, will this LIR that now holds a /22 + a /24 be able
to request more, or not?

> Without the possibility, even in the future, of giving more IP space to
> little new LIRs you are dooming them.

It's IPv4 that is doomed, and that goes equally for old LIRs as well as
new LIRs. I'm sure the community would enthusiastically give more IPv4
space to little new LIRs if that space existed, but it doesn't, and so
it is impossible to give it. There is simply no good option available to us:

1) If you open up for requests that are bounded upwards only by
demonstrated need, then that pool will be gone pretty much
instantaneously, even if you limit its eligibility to new LIRs only.
Except for a few luck "lottery winners", nobody will benefit.

2) If you only change the upper limit slightly, say from a /22 to a /21,
then you haven't solved anything; the LIRs will still be unable to get
the amount of space they actually need.

It sucks to not have enough IPv4 space. I'm in that situation, myself.
But there is unfortunately no way we can solve IPv4 depletion in this forum.

Tore