From gert at space.net Thu May 2 20:18:00 2013 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Thu, 2 May 2013 20:18:00 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2012-02 WG chair decision after review period (Policy for Inter-RIR Transfers of IPv4 Address Space) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20130502181800.GA50963@Space.Net> Dear AP WG, the review period for this proposal is now over since two weeks, and I neglected to send an update to the WG on it's status - sorry for that. Sander and I have discussed the feedback we got from you, and it's less than clear - but what I think is pretty clear is that this proposal can't go ahead with the language it currently has. So Sandra has agreed to rewrite the proposal language to make it more clear and easier to understand for "non programmers", and then we'll publish a new version of the proposal for you to comment on. regards, Gert Doering, APWG Chair On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 04:59:31PM +0100, Emilio Madaio wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > The Review Period for the proposal 2012-02 has been extended until 17 April. > > You can find the full proposal at: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2012-02 > > > We encourage you to review this policy proposal and send your comments > to before 17 April 2013. > > Regards, > > Emilio Madaio > Policy Development Officer > RIPE NCC > > -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The proposer has decided that it is unlikely that the RIPE Community would achieve consensus on PI assignments from the last /8 without a requirements-based assignment mechanism. Consequently the proposer decided to withdraw this proposal. Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC From gert at space.net Tue May 7 15:01:51 2013 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:01:51 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] time slot reshuffling Message-ID: <20130507130151.GW55541@Space.Net> Dear AP and NCC Service WG members, dear RIPE meeting team, the original plan for this RIPE meeting was to have two timeslots for the AP WG meeting (Wednesday 09:00-10:30 and 11:00-12:30) and one timeslot for the NCC services WG meeting (Wed 16:00-17:30). Somewhat unexpected, APWG has a very light agenda due to a number of proposals having reached consensus or having been withdrawn, while NCC Services has a much heavier agenda than usual, with lots of proposals needing proper time for discussion. So the APWG chairs and NCC Services WG chairs have agreed to use the "Wednesday 11:00-12:30" time slot not for AP but for the NCC Services working group (overlapping with the DNS working group). That is, APWG will only meet between 09:00 and 10:30, while NCC services will meet twice, 11:00-12:30 and 16:00-17:30. The RIPE meeting team will update the meeting plan on the web ASAP, and you'll see new agenda drafts for both working groups shortly. Sorry for the late change in planning, and apologies for any confusion caused by this... Gert Doering, for the AP WG and NCC Services Chairs -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. 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Administrative Matters (welcome, thanking the scribe, approving the minutes, etc.) B. Current Policy Topics - Emilio Madaio - global policy overview "what's going on?" - common policy topics in all regions (end of IPv4, transfers, ...) - overview over concluded proposals in the RIPE region since RIPE65 - brief overview over new proposals (if any) D. Feedback From NCC Registration Service - Andrea Cima E. What is Consensus? (tentative) - from the WG chair http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-resnick-on-consensus-02 F. Discussion of open policy proposals 2012-02 Policy for Inter-RIR transfers of IPv4 Address Space (update from the chair: where are we, what are the next steps) [2012-03 Intra-RIR transfer policy proposal (withdrawn)] [2012-04 (IPv4) PI assignments from the last /8 (withdrawn)] 2013-02 Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses 2013-03 No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Cleanup H. IPv6 PA/PI unification proposal what happened (not much) -> next steps? Y. Open Policy Hour "The Open Policy Hour (OPH) is a showcase for your policy ideas. If you have a policy proposal you'd like to debut, prior to formally submitting it, here is your opportunity." Z. AOB Gert Doering -- APWG chair -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not asking you to challenge our evaluation this time :-) Gert Doering, APWG chair On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:30:28PM +0200, Marco Schmidt wrote: > > Dear Colleagues, > > The draft document for the proposal described in 2013-02, > "Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses", > has been published. The impact analysis that was conducted for this > proposal has also been published > > > You can find the full proposal and the impact analysis at: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-02 > > and the draft document at: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-02/draft > > We encourage you to read the draft document text and send any comments > to address-policy-wg at ripe.net before 8 May 2013. > > Regards > > Marco Schmidt > on behalf of the Policy Development Office > RIPE NCC > > Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 306 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mschmidt at ripe.net Mon May 13 11:23:43 2013 From: mschmidt at ripe.net (Marco Schmidt) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 11:23:43 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] 2013-02 Last Call for Comments (Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses) Message-ID: Dear Colleagues, The proposal described in 2013-02, Removal of requirement for certification of reallocated IPv4 addresses, is now in its Concluding Phase. The Address Policy Working Group co-Chairs have declared that consensus for the proposal has been reached and it will now move to Last Call. As per the RIPE Policy Development Process (PDP), the purpose of these coming four weeks of Last Call is to give the community the opportunity to present well-justified objections in case anyone missed the previous two phases and want to oppose the proposal. Any objection must be made by 10 June 2013 and must be supported by an explanation. If no substantive objections are raised by the end of Last Call, the proposal will complete the PDP and will be evaluated by the co-Chairs of all RIPE Working Groups for consensus. You can find the full proposal at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/policies/proposals/2013-02 Please e-mail any final comments about this proposal to address-policy-wg at ripe.net before 10 June 2013. Regards Marco Schmidt Policy Development Office RIPE NCC From emadaio at ripe.net Mon May 13 16:22:14 2013 From: emadaio at ripe.net (Emilio Madaio) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:22:14 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Cosmetic Surgery Project: new revised RIPE Policy document for IPv6 database objects Message-ID: <5190F716.7030600@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, As part of the Cosmetic Surgery Project, the RIPE NCC is moving forward with a review of the policy document ripe-513, "Value of the "status:" and "assignment-size:" attributes in INET6NUM objects for sub-assigned PA space". A draft of the policy document is now online and ready for community review at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/readability/improving-the-readability-of-ripe-documents We encourage you to read the edited draft of ripe-513 and send any comments to by 10 June 2013. Kind Regards, Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC From gert at space.net Mon May 13 19:54:40 2013 From: gert at space.net (Gert Doering) Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 19:54:40 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] DRAFT Minutes from the APWG Meeting at RIPE 65 In-Reply-To: <508FB84E.8000908@ripe.net> References: <508FB84E.8000908@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20130513175440.GI55541@Space.Net> Dear AP WG, as a reminder - I'll ask you on Wednesday if there is anything in the RIPE 65 minutes that needs to be amended. So here they are, in case you want to re-read and refresh your minds... regards, Gert Doering, APWG chair On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 12:21:50PM +0100, Emilio Madaio wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > the draft minutes from the APWG sessions at the recent RIPE 65 meeting > have been now published: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/ap/minutes/ripe-65 > > > Please let us know if there is anything that needs to be corrected or > amended. > > > Best Regards > Emilio Madaio > Policy Development Officer > RIPE NCC > Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Kind Regards Marco Schmidt Policy Development Office RIPE NCC From hph at oslo.net Tue May 14 18:35:21 2013 From: hph at oslo.net (Hans Petter Holen) Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 18:35:21 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Update to RFC2050 In-Reply-To: <89F5D5E6-DE6D-401B-9230-A6A7C6D04EE9@louie.net> References: <89F5D5E6-DE6D-401B-9230-A6A7C6D04EE9@louie.net> Message-ID: <519267C9.8050208@oslo.net> (I tried do search trough the archives and found this only deep within the 2013-03 discussion.) The ASO Address Council was made aware of - and had a short discussion with one of the author on - the topic of the proposed update to RFC 2050. The current version of the draft is at http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-rfc2050bis-01.txt Below is the messages I have found on the topic on the ARIN ppml which explains the background of the work in progress. Personally I think this is a long overdue cleanup of RFC2050 - and the Address Policy working-group should perhaps spend some time on follwing the development of the document to get the workings right. Hans Petter > *From:* John Curran > > *Date:* March 17, 2013, 2:57:17 PM PDT > *To:* CJ Aronson > > *Cc:* "arin-ppml at arin.net " > > > *Subject:* *Re: [arin-ppml] Update to RFC2050* > > On Mar 17, 2013, at 4:57 PM, CJ Aronson > wrote: > >> There is a current IETF draft to update RFC205. Since that RFC is >> near and dear to all of us I thought folks might want the link. >> >> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt > > Thanks Cathy! Let me add some more background - > > We've known for quite some time that RFC 2050 (describing the > structure of > the Internet Registry system and its initial policies back in days of > Jon Postel) > has become rather outdated with time, and yet we did not want it to be > made > "historic" without a successor document (due to the various references > in the > Internet community) > > What was needed is a revised document reflecting just the high-level > principles > and agreements for the Internet address registry system. As an > informational > document, such an updated statement of current state of affairs could > serve as > a useful successor and replacement for RFC 2050. I will note that the > last time > such an effort was attempted within the IETF (circa 2003), there was some > confusion over whether the goal was documenting "as is" versus "as it > should > be", and ultimately did not reach productive conclusion. > > So, a few of us (Russ Housley, myself, Geoff Huston, and David Conrad) > took > it upon ourselves to draft a suitable replacement document, and we > have now > completed the task. We also took the time to have the draft reviewed > by the > execs from the other RIRs, folks in the IAB, IESG, and ISOC, as well > as list > of folks who have had strong involvement in the Registry System over the > years (Scott Bradner, Randy Bush, etc.) The resulting document should be > an accurate representation of the current "as is" state of the > Internet Number > Registry System as far as we can determine, including having references > to the agreements defining the structure and primary relationships. > > The document is available here: > > > > The announcement of the draft has been posted to the "ietf" > mailing list for > further discussion (and more information on the "ietf" list is > available here: > ) > > Thanks! > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > ARIN > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net > ). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience > any issues. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emadaio at ripe.net Tue May 21 13:41:30 2013 From: emadaio at ripe.net (Emilio Madaio) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 13:41:30 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Final RIPE 65 APWG Session Minutes Message-ID: <519B5D6A.1080208@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, The draft minutes of the RIPE 65 Address Policy Working Group session were approved by the Working Group during the session at RIPE 66. The final minutes are online at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/wg/ap/minutes/ripe-65 Regards Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC From emadaio at ripe.net Tue May 21 14:43:32 2013 From: emadaio at ripe.net (Emilio Madaio) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 14:43:32 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reminder:Cosmetic Surgery Project, new revised RIPE Policy, document for IPv6 database objects Message-ID: <519B6BF4.8020406@ripe.net> Dear colleagues, As part of the Cosmetic Surgery Project, the RIPE NCC is moving forward with a review of the policy document ripe-513, "Value of the "status:" and "assignment-size:" attributes in INET6NUM objects for sub-assigned PA space". At the request of the proposers of the original policy proposal that produced ripe-513, we?re sending a reminder about the document review and inviting the IPv6 Working Group Mailing List and Database Working Group Mailing List subscribers to participate in the review process. A draft of the policy document is now online and ready for community review at: https://www.ripe.net/ripe/readability/improving-the-readability-of-ripe-documents We encourage you to read the edited draft of ripe-513 and send any comments to by 10 June 2013. Kind Regards, Emilio Madaio Policy Development Officer RIPE NCC From nick at inex.ie Tue May 21 19:14:14 2013 From: nick at inex.ie (Nick Hilliard) Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 18:14:14 +0100 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reminder:Cosmetic Surgery Project, new revised RIPE Policy, document for IPv6 database objects In-Reply-To: <519B6BF4.8020406@ripe.net> References: <519B6BF4.8020406@ripe.net> Message-ID: <519BAB66.20903@inex.ie> On 21/05/2013 13:43, Emilio Madaio wrote: > A draft of the policy document is now online and ready for community > review at: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/readability/improving-the-readability-of-ripe-documents i think this looks ok. Support. Nick From ms at uakom.sk Tue May 28 10:16:54 2013 From: ms at uakom.sk (Martin Stanislav) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:16:54 +0200 Subject: [address-policy-wg] Reminder:Cosmetic Surgery Project, new revised RIPE Policy, document for IPv6 database objects In-Reply-To: <519B6BF4.8020406@ripe.net> References: <519B6BF4.8020406@ripe.net> Message-ID: <20130528081654.GA9120@moon.uakom.sk> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 02:43:32PM +0200, Emilio Madaio wrote: > > A draft of the policy document is now online and ready for community > review at: > > https://www.ripe.net/ripe/readability/improving-the-readability-of-ripe-documents May I suggest to omit the first occurence of "Only" in the section "2.1 Definitions" to keep to text more self-contained? Currently proposed text: Only the inet6num object may use the value of "AGGREGATED-BY-LIR" for the ?status:" attribute and contain the attribute ?assignment-size:?. Suggested change: The inet6num object may use the value of "AGGREGATED-BY-LIR" for the ?status:" attribute and contain the attribute ?assignment-size:?. Martin