[address-policy-wg] 2013-03 New Draft Document and Impact Analysis Published(No Need - Post-Depletion Reality Adjustment and Clean up)(Tore Anderson)

Dear Tore,

Thank you for inviting me to speak.

>>I feel this statement is somewhat disingenuous. The "odd RIR out" here
is really ARIN, who is the only one to have a inter-RIR transfer policy
that has a needs-based requirement that is also applied to the other
region involved in the transfer.

I agree 100% that ARIN is the "Odd RIR Out".  Only ARIN pushes for
needs assessments and other silliness on transfers, and I agree 100%
that 
companies will not be silly about spending good money on IPv4 addresses
that
may become worthless.  

>>That said, there has been an inter-RIR proposal (2012-02) on the table
for a while now, but the community does not seem to want or care much
about it. I think that this is important to keep that in mind when
deciding on how much weight to give this argument against 2013-03.

Yes, 2012-02 was on the table, but has now been withdrawn, pending the
outcome
of 2013-03.  If, and hopefully when, 2013-03 is implemented, then my
intention is to put in place
a new inter-RIR proposal for the RIPE community, at a time the community
feels is
appropriate, which allows for transfer of **legacy** IP's currently in
the ARIN registry.
As you probably know, legacy IP's were issued to resource holders prior
to the 
creation of ARIN in 1997, and thus legacy holders can request RIPE to
register
their IP's, if the RIPE community agrees, rather than ARIN, as the
registry.
Then the inter-RIR transfer of legacy IP's from ARIN to RIPE can proceed
 regardless of needs justification, as the legacy IP's would be in the
RIPE
registry rather than the ARIN registry.  We would have to discuss the
mechanics as it might better be regarded as an inter-RIR transfer from a
legacy 
ARIN registry element to a RIPE LIR.  This is much like the ERX
transfers of the
past, but to a purchasing LIR.


>>I'm not at all principally opposed to inter-RIR transfers, so if the
author of 2012-02 would add a "need compatibility clause" to the
proposed inter-RIR policy, I would have nothing against that. In other
words, if it would be possible to make the need evaluation a voluntary
thing that you only had to do if transferring addresses from the ARIN
region - fine. Then those 5 LIRs, and those 5 only, could subject
themselves to whatever demands the ARIN community might have, while the
rest of us would be free of the IPv4 bureaucracy. Win-win.

No, the author of 2012-02 is strongly opposed to needs justification so
I 
would not be interested in adding needs compatibility to inter-RIR
transfers.
I would much rather focus on legacy IP's for inter-RIR transfers,
intra-RIR
 transfers within RIPE, and will support any discussion within the
community
 to bring modern economics to ARIN.

Best Regards, and Thanks for the Invitation,
Sandra Brown