[address-policy-wg] regarding housecleaning efforts in absurdum
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Ingrid Wijte
ingrid at ripe.net
Mon Aug 19 11:02:39 CEST 2013
Hi Nick, We published information and procedures for Phase 3 at the following URL but possibly it could be more prominent and easy to find: http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/resource-management/2007-01-phase-3/implementing-phase-3-ripe-policy-proposal-2007-01 We will look at improving the location of this page and adding some additional information. Best regards, Ingrid Wijte RIPE NCC On 8/18/13 6:56 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: > Hi Ingrid, > > Thanks for clarifying this. Would it be possible to put this information > up on the web site? I had a quick look around, but couldn't find anything > related to 2007-01 phase 3 procedures other than ripe-569. This document > gave some information on the general process from the RIPE NCC point of > view, but doesn't explain clearly what the End Users' rights were, or > provide information about what escalation procedures are available. > > Nick > > On 16/08/2013 15:02, Ingrid Wijte wrote: >> Dear Nick and others, >> >> As requested, I am writing to provide clarification about the process the >> RIPE NCC follows to establish the legitimate holder of PI address space, >> and to outline how a case may be escalated. >> >> As mentioned earlier, Registration Services is currently in contact with >> hundreds of potential PI resource holders. For the most part, the more >> straightforward cases have already been resolved. What is left now are >> those cases where things are not quite so clear-cut: a resource may have >> changed hands several times, and there is often no paper trail documenting >> this. In many cases, these resources have never been announced or have not >> been announced for a very long time, etc. >> >> Every potential resource holder is given three months to produce >> documentation that demonstrates the legitimacy of their claim. We sometimes >> give extensions when we feel that good progress is being made. However, at >> some point we do have to start the de-registration procedure. From here, >> the potential resource holder still has an additional 90 days to find the >> required documentation. >> >> We explore a number of options to find a satisfactory solution. In cases >> where all available options have been exhausted but the IPRA feels >> reasonably certain about the legitimacy of the claim, they may escalate the >> request to management for a final decision. Similarly, the IPRA may also >> escalate the matter, either at the request of the other party or following >> internal procedures if the communication becomes difficult. If no agreement >> can be reached even after the matter has been escalated, we inform the >> potential resource holder that they can ask their potential sponsoring LIR >> to object to our decision via the Arbiters Panel. During arbitration, all >> ongoing processes are frozen. >> >> You can find out more about the RIPE NCC's Arbitration Process here: >> http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/legal/arbitration >> >> Finally, I would like to highlight that out of the thousands of resources >> we have dealt with as part of the 2007-01 project, very few cases that have >> come this far. In the overwhelming majority of (legitimate) cases, we are >> able to resolve matters satisfactorily for both parties. Regarding the >> request that started this thread, please note that we will do our best to >> resolve this matter with the other party. >> >> Kind regards >> >> Ingrid Wijte >> RIPE NCC >> >> >> On 8/14/13 5:20 PM, Nick Hilliard wrote: >>> On 14/08/2013 16:08, Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: >>>> No, that hasn't happened because the person didn't know about it. >>> It's the same as dispute resolution everywhere else: if there is an issue >>> which isn't resolved on the front desk, then you escalate. The Arbitration >>> / dispute resolution process is not as well known as it might be, but it >>> has existed for donkeys years: >>> >>> http://www.ripe.net/lir-services/ncc/legal/arbitration >>> >>>> Personally I dislike a policy that requires someone to know innards of RIPE >>>> NCC in order to get reasonable treatment. As far as I can tell, the >>>> hostmaster in question didn't offer these alternatives. >>> It sounds like there may be scope for the IPRA team to educate PI holders >>> on their options, and this might be something that the RIPE NCC management >>> to think about. This will end up being fairer for the PI holders, and will >>> also protect the RIPE NCC from allegations of unfair practice. Phase three >>> of 2007-01 will produce difficult cases. >>> >>> Could someone from the RIPE NCC comment on general procedures surrounding >>> what they might do in circumstances where there the holdership of the PI >>> resources is unclear? And what the escalation options are? >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> >
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